villain raises to 2BB every button NLCASH

[Kidling]

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In a deep enough game I would fold KK for a min raise.

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surely you level.

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Not to mention that the positional advantage is less of a factor when deciding which hands to play pf as stacks get deeper.

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I agree that you play different types of hands depending on stack sizes but in a deep enough game the positional advantage would become so great it would be correct to fold kk for a min raise. You would only play AA and reraise enough to commit your stack on the flop. I wonder if any one would agree with me. Maybe its a game theory question.

[MasterLJ]

No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

[Kidling]

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

[iSTRONG]

Kidling, you are very very wrong.

[MasterLJ]

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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I didn't agree with your assertion that positional advantage increases as stacks increase, it's actually quite the opposite.

[TNixon]

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If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get

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That right there is where you're going to get most of your disagreement.

Position matters *much* more when stacks are short, and you're speculating with far fewer hands. Many of the hands you're going to add out of position when deep are very easy to play post-flop even with the positional disadvantage.

But all positional advantages aside...

If you reraise, and they reraise all-in, you *MIGHT* consider not playing KK for your entire stack when super-deep (but even then, since this is the heads-up forum, you'd have to have a super-solid read that the person would never ever even consider making that move with anything other than AA or KK, which would require a huge history with the player to begin with), but folding KK to a minraise would be a completely bone-headed stupid move no matter how deep the stacks are.

Hell, I think even thinking about it thickens your skull just a little.

[IronFly]

Kidling is leveling everyone in this thread.

[Kidling]

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No one would agree with you sir. Please trust me on this.

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I am sure somebody would agree. If you agree that positional advantage increases the deeper the stacks get then it logically follows that a point would come where you would not play any hands oop except aces. Your hand range would decrease as the stacks get deeper and at a certain point you would not be able to disguise your hands enough to make up for being oop. It may take a million bbs but the point would come. This is as long as your playing heads up and the other player is of equal or greater skill then you.

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I didn't agree with your assertion that positional advantage increases as stacks increase, it's actually quite the opposite.

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Is this a commonly held opinon on this forum? I am always open to being wrong but this seems very counter-intuitive. Position provides among other things information and the more chips you have the better you can use that information.

[IronFly]

as stacks become deeper, position becomes more important, starting hand values become less important.

[soop]

This seems like a pretty interesting question. I always assumed position was more important with deeper stacks as well. However, that was mostly to justify calling raises with trash and I have no actual justification for it.

I bet someone's calculated the SB advantage for jam-fold situations though.