Call or fold my aces - Page 2

PorkchopDJG · #11 07-20-2007, 12:18 PM

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Since no one capped you pf, you can prolly rule out AA and likely KK. The only hands you should really be worred about are KQ and QQ. Would the guy go crazy w/JT here? Prolly not. AK? Migh be a possibility. If this were HU its an easy call down but the presence of the 3rd player in the hand makes me think that this is a pretty neutral EV situation b/c theres a greater likelyhood that one of your 2 opponents holds either KQ or QQ. If we look from purely combination standpoint its 9:3 that they hold KQ over QQ so you'll have 5 outs more often then you'll have 2. I think calling here is ok but I don't hate folding given the description of a tight passive lady check 3 betting the flop when the pf 4 better raises. That shows HUGE strenth.

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I agree with this!
If this is heads up just call it down but threeway, after the tight lady 3 bets it I think folding is reasonable as well as just calling.
If you do call lady may make it 5 bets and then you can still get trapped between them for multiple bets on 4th and 5th streets as well.
It wasn't a terrible fold.

that_pope · #12 07-20-2007, 01:30 PM

While some of your analysis may be flawed and this post results oriented, you do show signs of skill. Most players, especially at this level (10/20 I think) can fold aces on this flop. While it might have not been completely correct, the fact that you can follow a read and fold a hand shows promise. But the second guessing because an Ace hit the turn is being too results oriented.

Good luck!

bernie · #13 07-20-2007, 01:38 PM

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Since no one capped you pf, you can prolly rule out AA and likely KK.

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Is 5 bets the cap? Where I play 4 bets is the cap. I figured OP capped it.

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swope · #14 07-20-2007, 02:16 PM

i put someone on KQ or a OESD long before i assume im up against a set.

aces + that flop = crying calls all the way down unless a MAJOR scare card comes on the turn, and given your holdings i cant think of one.

the flops i would consider folding aces on are monotone connectors where i dont have the right suited ace and find myself sandwiched between reraisers. anything else is generally worth a crying call, especially at 10-20 where people tend to get pretty out of line.

iamastud · #15 07-20-2007, 02:17 PM

it is one bet and 4 raises for a cap. the game is $10/20. no round was capped here. i made it 4 bets pre flop. the other 2 called. and after flop there were 3 raises.

it seems that folding is slightly better here as i did, but calling can't be that wrong.

ssmallz · #16 07-20-2007, 06:29 PM

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Since no one capped you pf, you can prolly rule out AA and likely KK.

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Is 5 bets the cap? Where I play 4 bets is the cap. I figured OP capped it.

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If you read his flop play, its 4 bets back to him and he asks whether he should fold call or raise. I can only assume that the cap is 5 bets, otherwise he wouldn't be able to raise

Maliant · #17 07-20-2007, 07:08 PM

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Folding is pretty horrible -- you're ahead a lot. I think its closer to 5bet than folding. If you call, and then the turn is 2 bets to you, I'd consider a fold at that point.

And suits probably don't matter only after you know what hands they have.

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This advice seriously made me cringe, why are there so many people unable to fold aces on any flop regardless of action and player images. It is like people will aquiesce that they are beat and just make crying calls all the way down so they can show how they were outflopped.

KQx is not a good flop for AA some people have difficulty understanding that and especially w/ that action and a tight-passive old lady check/3-betting.

vmacosta · #18 07-20-2007, 08:25 PM

Those advocating folding the flop are simply ignoring the mathematics. Of course QQ is more likely than any other hand after she check/3-bets the flop. But AK and KQ still must be included in her range and there is just no way you can weight those hands light enough to justify folding getting 11:1.

Maliant · #19 07-20-2007, 08:55 PM

You have 1 (MAYBE 2) outs, adding 3-outs for possiblity she has top two which is bottom of her range, I don't put AK in range even

bernie · #20 07-20-2007, 09:30 PM

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i put someone on KQ or a OESD long before i assume im up against a set.

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Tight passives usually don't raise preflop with KQ. They also usually don't check-3 bet into that much preflop aggression w/o a big hand.

Unless you're really putting the tight passive on JTs which really isn't likely.

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especially at 10-20 where people tend to get pretty out of line.

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How far out of line to tight passives get?

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