$50NL: Line check with sets

[Nick C]

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Preflop, raising is an option, but I don't have a big problem with the open-limp, and since that's an unpopular opinion here, I'll explain it: (1) I don't really care that much if someone raises behind me and isolates when I've got a PP, and (2) I'd rather be HU versus an isolation raise than be HU versus a 3-bet (in fact, if the 3-bet was big enough and/or came from a medium stack rather than a short stack or a deep stack, I wouldn't even call it).

[/ QUOTE ]This is a problem. You're not going to make alot if you limp/call if somebody's just isolating you. If somebody 3-bets you too much you can just dump your hand. Alot of donks do not raise enough to where you don't have implied odds to call a 3-bet. Alot of them minreraise with their big hands. I use to open limp them at the $25 for a while but I think the cons outweigh the pros for open limping pocket pairs.

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I rarely open-limp. I just get irritated sometimes by the "raise-or-fold" preflop dogma that we see here. I mean, if anyone posts a hand that features a preflop limp by Hero, the first comment many of the responses are going to feature is "raise preflop."

Anyway, for the record, the post you quoted did also say this:

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Nevertheless, I do tend to open-raise instead of calling with low PPs. In practice, it gives you postflop folding equity instead of handing it to your opponents, and it also builds a pot if you flop your set. But I like calling better than folding.

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Also when I do open-limp PPs (which, like I said, is rarity but is something I'll do once in a while if by circumstance I've been doing a lot of preflop raising at the table lately), the reason I don't mind getting isolated is that I don't play set-or-fold versus the isolater. But I agree that playing OOP with 22 versus an isolation raise is not particularly profitable. Meanwhile, though, I'm going to argue that open-raising the 22 versus the same hand and player who would have isolated you if you limped is not massively profitable either.

[jessyj07]

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I rarely open-limp.

[/ QUOTE ] I realize this, I just decided to give the other side of it for OPs sake, so don't get apeshit on me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

[Nick C]

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I rarely open-limp.

[/ QUOTE ] I realize this, I just decided to give the other side of it for OPs sake, so don't get apeshit on me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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OK, no problem.

And, for the OP, my default would be to raise the 22 preflop as the first person to voluntarily enter the pot.

[chaz64]

Thanks everyone for your responses.

This is likely a dumb question, but I assume everyone with a decent sample size is showing three of a kind as one of their biggest money makers in their PT stats? I would think it would be, especially as the hand is "invisible."

Thanks again.

[Kasane]

Well, just for clarity's sake, call a set a set and trips, trips.

Trips are good, sets are better.

[UptownExpress]

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Raise preflop, bet more on the flop, turn is fine.

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yeah bet more on flop because u dont' really want to practically give this away to 46 and who knows u might get some flop action, it's not impossible.

[vixticator]

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I assume everyone with a decent sample size is showing three of a kind as one of their biggest money makers in their PT stats?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, it is probably the biggest winner from anyone with a good sample. Straights, flushes and full houses aren't that far behind net wise for me @25K hands.

[terencetsao]

this is a typical
raise preflop
pot the flop
raise raise raise raise on the turn

when you flop a set, you want to get all your money in as much as possible, unless its a coordinated board

[bored]

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Raise preflop, bet more on the flop, turn is fine.

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[infinite_loop]

I personally like raising any pair from any position. You want to build pots for sets because you're much more likely to stack off TP with a bigger pot. It's a little higher variance, but limping and then getting aggressive on a raggy board is so transparent.

On the flop you need to bet more because similar to the concepts used in raising pre-flop, you need to build pots with big hands. So yeah, you might never get action except for when someone has a Q, but if someone has a Q it's possible to win a decent pot, especially if they spike 2 pair.

On the turn, you've put yourself in a weird spot. The way this board is laid out, I think I just call the raise.