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Old 07-19-2007, 03:31 PM
Cornell Fiji Cornell Fiji is offline
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I always lead this flop to try to build a pot, you are not going to get much value if no one has AK?KQ anyway so you might as well try to extract the most from those hands.

As played his range (in no particular order) is AK/KQ/AQ/TJ/KJ/KK/QQ/AA/55/34s. I would 3 bet to 6k (he calls with everything but AQ/KJ) and then bet 7k on any river 2-J (probably check-call a Q/K/A) and probably fold to any raise.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:09 PM
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I often lead at the pot with a set on a flop but I prefer to do it on a drawy board where it seems likely to the raiser I am semi bluffing and anyways this guy had c/bet every single time he raised for the first 4 hours.

I really didn't think he had KQ as I felt he would have led at the pot on the flop with this hand. A slowly played AA or AK was a possibility but surely he knew, we knew he had c/bet every time he raised and would have bet to disguise his hand. Maybe he was changing up. I really didn't know.

I am usually firmly in the camp of if you have set against overset you are going broke. But, is the fact my table so juicy (at least 4 very nice spots) and the fact I've identified my opponent as the major danger on the table reason enough not to go broke?

I used these two reasons (plus if he was bluffing the best way to get full value for my hand was to check the river and let him bluff again) to merely call the turn and check the river (which was a 5).

He duly bet 7k on the river.

Is calling really the only option now?
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:23 PM
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I think so. His hand is either QQQ or a bluff I think.

It really feels like he bets his strong hands and total air on the flop which leaves ok but not great draws, and inbetween strength hands. Those hands with meh showdown value, could decide to bluff, but certainly aren't calling a cr. Or he's bluffing like 34/46ish. Or he has QQ (good hand with no reason to bet on the flop that turns into a monster on the turn. Its certainly how a good aggro player could play it.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:43 PM
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If you call his turn raise the only play is to check-call the river
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:54 PM
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I like weak leading with my sets on the flop, but checking is ok there as well.

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even with your relative position in this hand?

vs someone who cont bets a lot, i like a check better as it allows you to trap the other player in the hand.

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This is such an important concept that gets overlooked 99% of the time by decent players.

LHE strategy FTW.

And call the raise, c/r almost every river.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:17 PM
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evg, cring the river is so gross imo. you obv arent bluffing, but he realistically speaking never calls with a worse hand.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:35 PM
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If you call his turn raise the only play is to check-call the river

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I call his turn raise. I'd lead the river unless I thought it anything other than very unlikely that he could both have and would raise/shove KQ.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:02 PM
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If you call his turn raise the only play is to check-call the river

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I call his turn raise. I'd lead the river unless I thought it anything other than very unlikely that he could both have and would raise/shove KQ.

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I like a check on the river because:

1) JTs
2) I don't think he checks flop, raises turn, and checks river with AK
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:05 PM
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evg, cring the river is so gross imo. you obv arent bluffing, but he realistically speaking never calls with a worse hand.

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AK, KQ, KJ, maybe AQ could easily call this river. Throw in "I wanna know what he's got" factor.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:16 PM
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I like a check on the river because:

1) JTs
2) I don't think he checks flop, raises turn, and checks river with AK

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1. K
2. We're SB. After the turn bet/call, AK etc. call way more than they bet.
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