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07-12-2007, 04:32 AM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
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There is a lot of gross thing about this thread. I don't 3 bet some one that I respect with KT. If I did I would raise the flop. [/ QUOTE ] It felt extremely, extremely light. It's one of the few things about this horribly misplayed hands I really liked. 
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#13
07-12-2007, 04:35 AM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
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Call. He has KQ, just so you know. [/ QUOTE ] He approached me after the hand wanting to chat it up, so I am pretty confident that the hand he divulged was what he had. You are correct; it was KQ. At the time of the fold, I thought I'd been owned by 99, but by the time I had thought about it, I had it pegged as exactly KQ. I think AQ looks to CR my flop bet. The bottom line is that I really lost the ability to define his hand (as well as lost the initiative) by just calling the flop.
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#14
07-12-2007, 04:38 AM
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you played every street perfectly but I think you need to pay this raise off and hope he is doing something retarded. btw, there are only 2 2p2ers that i know of who play that game--do you know the BB's name? [/ QUOTE ] No freaking way he's a 2p2'er. He plays well enough postflop to beat the 15 and maybe the 30, but... just no way. The CO in this hand was a blonde dude, shades, hat, mid-30s. He play v v goot. I'd have to imagine he's a 2p2er. Rich was on super mega tilt yesterday. I don't think I've ever seen anyone capable of playing so solidly that can play so horribly when on tilt. BB was late 50's, graying beard, rectangular glasses.
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#15
07-12-2007, 04:47 AM
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you played every street perfectly but I think you need to pay this raise off and hope he is doing something retarded. [/ QUOTE ] One more thing... my image (and my play on that day) were pretty LAGgro... once BB bets and v v solid opener folds, I felt like a call might tingle his spidey sense, like "what is this lagtard doing... just calling a super coordinated flop after 3 betting PF?" This flop just mentally short-wired me. I didn't figure it to be a WA/WB situation, I just knew I wanted to get to showdown; in this case, in position and HU, cheaply.
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#16
07-12-2007, 05:29 AM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
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given that you've underrepped your hand the whole way, this is an autocall. [/ QUOTE ] great point. He could have T8 here or a missed flush draw, or maybe he's trying to promo-raise his AQ or something. I don't see how we can fold this without a significant read. I mean, there are so many reasons to call. The pot size, the fact that we don't have way too many hands on him, the fact that hero underrepped hand.
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#17
07-12-2007, 07:35 AM
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Oaks' 30/60. About an equal mix of TAGs and LPs at this table. Ten handed. Folded around to a very solid presumable 2p2er who opens in the cutoff. I repop K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button. SB folds, and the BB calls. BB is weird... I've seen him openlimp in the first three positions at least 3 times in the last two hours, but he plays alright, relatively TAGish, post flop. He calls, and we're off to the flop with 4.83 small bets. The flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. BB bets out, PF opener folds, and I decide to just call and reassess turn. 5.83 SB's. The turn is unimportant, maybe the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I just call again, not wanting to put in 3 bets, as my call would leave me with 10.83:1 if I were to get three bet. I just call again. The river is the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villian looks like he's thinking about betting, then checks. I bet. Villian checkraises. I puke in my mouth, then while attempting to appear nonchalant, fold pretty quickly. How much does this hand disgust you? [/ QUOTE ] folding this river is really dumb. he has KJ/KQ every time, but you still gotta call.
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#18
07-12-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
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[ QUOTE ] you played every street perfectly but I think you need to pay this raise off and hope he is doing something retarded. btw, there are only 2 2p2ers that i know of who play that game--do you know the BB's name? [/ QUOTE ] The CO in this hand was a blonde dude, shades, hat, mid-30s. He play v v goot. I'd have to imagine he's a 2p2er. BB was late 50's, graying beard, rectangular glasses. [/ QUOTE ] sounds like CO might be brooks (bdaddy). I swear there are like no oaks players that post on 2p2, so please keep it quiet! BB could be any number of people. How have the games been lately? I've been travelling for work and haven't been around to play in a month or so...any more talk of starting a 60?
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#19
07-12-2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
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[ QUOTE ] There is a lot of gross thing about this thread. I don't 3 bet some one that I respect with KT. If I did I would raise the flop. [/ QUOTE ] It felt extremely, extremely light. It's one of the few things about this horribly misplayed hands I really liked. [/ QUOTE ] No, 3-betting an aggressive CO opener with KTs is very standard, relax. If I'm folding its because I don't "respect" him, whatever that means.
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#20
07-12-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: How gross is this one? Oaks\' 30/60
If you call the flop, I think you have to raise the turn, and fold to a 3-bet.
Then, after all this action goes in, you can fold to the river c/r. If the BB is the player I'm thinking, he's the Oaks tourney player of the year... an NL convert who doesn't understand a lot of the limit nuances. So his PF strategy leaves a lot to be desired -- his calling two cold in the BB doesn't mean much (could be as little as J9s).
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