Was I justified or out of line

[Newtons1st]

Why is is so hard before you table your KQ to ask "What is your kicker". Yeah there are some yahoos that just want to show one card but that way they will show it with out the big issue.

[randomcards]

I wouldn't play with you again or play in a home game that awarded you that pot regardless of the technicality.

If this is a game you played regularly in are they real anal rule nits or is more of a typical home tourney atmosphere? If in the past the game is a typical home game you were wayyyy out of line IMO.

[n.s.]

Insisting that he show his other card is fine, trying to take this pot is a pure scumbag move. Frankly, you sound like a real ass.

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So I start yelling at this point and call UTG a stupideffingidiot so then he shoves he's whole stack across the table and storms out in a huff.

I went on to win the tourney, but it was a very somber atmosphere, and 2 days later it seems at least half of the 16 players are pissed at me.

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I hope it was worth it.

[TexRef]

You knew you lost when you called the 500 -- you only called to see his cards.

Telling him "two to win" I think is fine -- and making him show both his cards.

Trying to win the pot on an angle shoot is practicing assholery.

[Xamot]

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So I start yelling at this point and call UTG a stupideffingidiot so then he shoves he's whole stack across the table and storms out in a huff.

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ROFL

grow the hell up

[OutOfCrown]

What makes this obviously an angleshoot by you is that you tabled your losing hand, THEN asked to see his other card.

In my game, I'd give you that pot (teaches player A a lesson), then ban you for some number of weeks, if not forever (teaches you).

The right way to see both is cards is to make him show before you table your hand.

[Reckless1der]

Thank you all for your comments. Clearly I was way out of line. Like I said in the OP I wish I just sucked it up and tossed my hand away. And again I should just drop it, but I am strangely compelled to dig a deeper hole to clear up some misconceptions.

When I tabled my hand it was not with the intention to get the pot on a technicality. I was on tilt and really just wanted to see how he chases me down with an ace high, so when he tosses his cards in the muck I was denied that satisfaction.

Also, as a backdrop, previous games were plagued with other rules diputes. I was not a party in those issues, but I did suggest to the host that he should incoporate Robert's as a means to resolve disputes. So at the start of the game a mere half hour earlier he waved his print out and said the game would be played in strict accord to Robert's. So I guess that's how the idea creeps into my head when I look at the table and have the only live hand. I guess we aren't playing to Robert's after all.

For whatever it's worth, it's $300 buy-in, with the host taking a 10% rake. With $500 leaving the pot, I think I'm entitled to expect standards beyond the usual home game. Like I say, if the exact same thing happens in a cardroom I get the pot and the villain learns a lesson the hard way. And that would happen without me having to say a single word.

[Lottery Larry]

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Robert says:
"1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards faceup on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not."

Additionally:
"5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins."

So, I totally agree with you

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I very MUCH doubt that Bob Ciaffone intended for the first rule to be used to award the pot to the second-best hand. While the Ace should have been chided for only showing one card (unless this was a common practice), it is a rulesnit angleshoot to try to claim the pot here.

The Ace was shown. OP loses the hand. Pretty much EOS.

[chopstick]

I think the best suggestion so far is to wait for the other player to show both of his cards prior to revealing yours.

Also, there's no reason to start yelling and calling people names. You want players who play like that to like you so you get to keep playing with them. -EV move, there, chief.

[Taso]

I'm pretty sure the main reason for that rule in Robert's is in the case that someone is expected of cheating, you can see both his cards, as well as anyone elses. Abusing the rule in a casino does not end well.