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07-04-2007, 10:38 AM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-betting low pockets is bad in just about any possible situation as they have poor equity against almost any range. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong - most people are prepared to get ai with AK, JJ+, and other pocket pairs have the highest equity against that range of any hand not in it. [/ QUOTE ] It's almost true, but AQs > 22. [/ QUOTE ] Nit lol [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but yeah youre right, 22 & 33 are a fraction of a percent worse than AQs. 
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#13
07-04-2007, 12:29 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
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fold, you have very limited implied odds if you've been that aggressive previously AND you are going to struggle to yield the showdown value of the hand if he is decent [/ QUOTE ] The OP clearly stated that you can't fold. What is your play now?
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#14
07-04-2007, 12:39 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-betting low pockets is bad in just about any possible situation as they have poor equity against almost any range. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong - most people are prepared to get ai with AK, JJ+, and other pocket pairs have the highest equity against that range of any hand not in it. [/ QUOTE ] It's almost true, but AQs > 22. [/ QUOTE ] Nit lol [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but yeah youre right, 22 & 33 are a fraction of a percent worse than AQs. [/ QUOTE ] Whoa - I never noticed this before. Why exactly is 22 worse than 77 when compared to AQ?
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#16
07-04-2007, 12:50 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-betting low pockets is bad in just about any possible situation as they have poor equity against almost any range. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong - most people are prepared to get ai with AK, JJ+, and other pocket pairs have the highest equity against that range of any hand not in it. [/ QUOTE ] It's almost true, but AQs > 22. [/ QUOTE ] Nit lol [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] but yeah youre right, 22 & 33 are a fraction of a percent worse than AQs. [/ QUOTE ] Whoa - I never noticed this before. Why exactly is 22 worse than 77 when compared to AQ? [/ QUOTE ] 22 is more likey to be counterfited by the board.
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#18
07-04-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
push all in. its quite simple, if you can get him to fold more then two thirds of the time then push. a 4 bet commits you anyway.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 58,218,336 games 0.060 secs 970,305,600 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 35.889% 35.70% 00.19% 20785192 108796.00 { 6c6d } Hand 1: 64.111% 63.92% 00.19% 37215552 108796.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo } --- you lose about 60 dollars every time you get it all in against a premuim range and you win 28 dollars everytime he folds. so you only have to get him to fold 2/3's of the time to break even. any more and you're in profit. can anyone verify this? also, is there much of a benfit to taking a flop? you dont necessarily have any implied odds for a set and you're commiting alot preflop. i suppose you could call with the intention of pushing lots, but you'll basically be making a 2 way bet and are far behind when called.
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#19
07-04-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
By my calculations, if you're giving yourself 35% equity, if BB folds 58% your shove is 0EV.
Assuming JJ calls your shove as well, we have closer to 33% equity. In that case BB has to fold 62% of the time. There is definitely value in taking a flop. Obviously there is some set value, but there is extra value based on some reads on villain's play. If he is the type to fire one barrel on dry flops and then shut down on the turn with whiffed overcards, then you can often get to showdown cheap. Also, especially if villain views you as a nit, he might just give up completely on certain flops after you call his raise and you can take the pot away.
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#20
07-04-2007, 02:26 PM
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Re: 200NL How to react to being 3bet light?
call and flop a set. you can also call and shove over his cbet if you think it has the correct board texture...
if you think his 3 betting range is really wide though than you cant call for set odds because his range is so wide and even if you do hit your set than you may not be guranteed of getting payed off. Muck works... shove is gross imo. i like call though.
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