flop hypothetical

[HOWMANY]

Yeah that's the thing, online if you raise again somewhere you will often win the pot right there or on the next street UI, live people just aren't taking shots at you like they are online. What to do online depends on how they're playing. If they are the type that will have something fairly often when they raise that they can go apeshit with and never fold then probably call and try to get there. If they are more normal and are c/r flops with air a fair amount then I take one of the lines that struggle to win the pot.

Taking free cards I prefer a lot more in games where the pots can be multiway which is not online. Also online if you take free cards I think you lose some of your implied odds when you get there. If you take a free card and get there you get like 1 more bet usually at most, while if you don't take it you can get 2+ more bets fairly often I feel.

[vmacosta]

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i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

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I almost always 3bet the flop. Not sure if thats good or bad.

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[Ian J]

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i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

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Curious how you and others who have made similar always or never comments are playing the flop with a hand like Q9?

Also, I'm with danza on the almost equal frequency front. I think 3 betting and checking is the worst option. So maybe 10% for that and an even 30 the other 3. Though I don't find myself calling and raising the turn often with hands like this, which is probably not good.

[Heisenb3rg]

How I play semi-bluff type hands on drawy flops depend on the showdown value of the draw compared to OTHER draws on the flop, as well as it's total equity if you get played back at.

With the hands with the strongest showdown value I'll take a line which will get me to a showdown cheaply, as well as pump the pot with a possible equity edge, and fold out better air.

With the hands with the weakest showdown value (67 here), I would take a line that minimizes my getting played back at by other draws, and maximizes my fold equity. (raise turn).

Very situational dependent. JT is a hand that is incredible equity against a pair, decent showdown value against most of the draws, but is behind to gutshot overcards. I think getting agressive on the flop is the best with this because of your very strong equity against a pair, as well as you wont get pushed off the best hand too often because you can catch so many cards. You should also fold out the air.

The only hand I would want to check the turn with is one im planning to showdown. If I believed my opponent would not cap his semi-bluffs, I would 3-bet the flop, check the turn , call a blank river and possibly bluff raise/bet an Ace/King river.

[Victor]

"Curious how you and others who have made similar always or never comments are playing the flop with a hand like Q9?"

usually call down or jack turn or river. i pretty much never 3bet my strong hands on the flop so i dont 3bet my draws.

[admiralfluff]

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usually call down or jack turn or river. i pretty much never 3bet my strong hands on the flop so i dont 3bet my draws.

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I pretty usually 3bet my strong hands on the flop, so I do it often with my draws. I think both strategies are probably close, and the deciding factor of which to use most often would probably be other aspects of our overall strategy. I don't think one of these strategies dominates the others.

[joker122]

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I do 1/3/4 pretty often. I very rarely do 2 online.

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online i much prefer checking behind on the turn than live tho i havent played in cali too much. generally my vegas experience tells me that its never bad to barrell off with semibluffs. often i will see regs dump a middle pair by the river.

online i find no one ever folds a pair.

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Online i also find people c/r me on this flop with total air

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god i [censored] love online poker.

[joker122]

"How I play semi-bluff type hands on drawy flops depend on the showdown value of the draw compared to OTHER draws on the flop, as well as it's total equity if you get played back at.

With the hands with the strongest showdown value I'll take a line which will get me to a showdown cheaply, as well as pump the pot with a possible equity edge, and fold out better air.

With the hands with the weakest showdown value (67 here), I would take a line that minimizes my getting played back at by other draws, and maximizes my fold equity. (raise turn)."

good stuff here.