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Old 07-02-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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What makes you consider folding?

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Just because to make this river pot bet he SHOULD have a really strong hand, like at least trips or better. TP tripped up on the rvr, there is a flush possible, there is an A out there, etc. OTOH it could be a bluff.

It really shouldn't be a hand like aces up, but you never know if people are playing 'correctly'....so I had to consider raising too esp after he showed a tendency to call raises with TPNK.

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I see, a lot of times though a villain may see this as more of a reason to bet since you are less likely now to have TP.

Of course a bluff is in there, as is a flush. However, I think villains bluffing frequency increases a huge amount when you check the turn. I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Edit: Although if the river completed the flush I prob would have called a small bet with my J high flush.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?

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Since he seems like a somewhat calling station I would like the min raise on his small river bet as I feel that he would call with worse.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

I'd call here too - definitely not raise. I expect to see something like J9/J7 more than I expect to see air.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

this is really tough, I think you need to fold, you cant name many hands you beat.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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Would a half pot turn bet maybe have clarified things a bit?

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I don't really like betting the turn in this hand, esp since it is an A. There is a decent chance the A helped him and by checking I think I get more value on the river - either by inducing bluffs or getting villain to call lighter. Some river cards screw me but it is worth the risk imo.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

i fold here. i would call a half-size pot bet, but betting the pot tells me he either has a flush or a boat.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Edit: Although if the river completed the flush I prob would have called a small bet with my J high flush.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?

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I guess the real question is what would this guy call a flop bet with that would call a raise on the river that you are ahead of? Another J is a possibility but you already have 3 of them accounted for. He may call with an A here. That certainly is a possibility. I don't see many other hands.

I do think we are good 33% of the time. I don't think we are good often enough when we get called.

I am not sure what I think about min-raising a smaller bet.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:35 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?

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Since he seems like a somewhat calling station I would like the min raise on his small river bet as I feel that he would call with worse.

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Sorry but a mini raise is terrible.
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: ($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?

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Since he seems like a somewhat calling station I would like the min raise on his small river bet as I feel that he would call with worse.

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Sorry but a mini raise is terrible.

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Well what would you do if he bet like $120 on the rvr?
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