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Old 07-01-2007, 04:54 AM
JackOfSpeed JackOfSpeed is offline
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

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Easy call.

Incidently, I would just call his raise PF.

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I think just calling against villain-as-described would be pretty gross. The raise to 3200 PF is fine.
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

calling preflop would be gross.

I decided that the only hand he could have that was ahead was AA since even this guy would let me get my chips in first with QQ or TT.

I pushed, he called with AQ and the rest of the hand belongs in BBV.

The ?surprising? problem was that he clearly didn't think one iota about putting me on a hand. He just knew he had TPTK and it was all going in the center.
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:42 AM
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

His action out of turn should be binding as long as the action doesn't change, i.e. you bet. Therefore, you have to check and call, not push. If you push, he may be able to get away with one there and fold.
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:43 AM
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

Also, calling is really really really really really bad. This guy is never folding preflop and never folding if he catches a piece. It's always like that when they complain in that manner.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:16 AM
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

call-ballz/thay3r
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Old 07-01-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: All in out of turn: V Deep Stack $550

Yeah nevermind, maybe against this villian the raise PF is better. In fact, maybe a push might have been in order, since it sounds like he would have called. Raising 1/4 of your stack (and 1/3 of his) would just look really suspicious to any normal thinking player. For me, my standard line is to just call in these spots so as not to telegraph my hand.

BTW the hand goes in BBV good or BBV bad?
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:03 PM
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Yeah nevermind, maybe against this villian the raise PF is better. In fact, maybe a push might have been in order, since it sounds like he would have called. Raising 1/4 of your stack (and 1/3 of his) would just look really suspicious to any normal thinking player. For me, my standard line is to just call in these spots so as not to telegraph my hand.

BTW the hand goes in BBV good or BBV bad?

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Turn: Q

cause that's how I roll....
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:36 PM
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Yeah nevermind, maybe against this villian the raise PF is better. In fact, maybe a push might have been in order, since it sounds like he would have called. Raising 1/4 of your stack (and 1/3 of his) would just look really suspicious to any normal thinking player. For me, my standard line is to just call in these spots so as not to telegraph my hand.

BTW the hand goes in BBV good or BBV bad?

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Turn: Q

cause that's how I roll....

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He obviously knew the turn Q was coming, this making his previous decisions very easy.
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