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06-29-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
if u cold call flop, and utg leads 1/2 pot and mp calls turn, please o please o PLEASE stick it in.
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#12
06-29-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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if u cold call flop, and utg leads 1/2 pot and mp calls turn, please o please o PLEASE stick it in. [/ QUOTE ] What hand could UTG have that would call the raise and lead for $100 on the turn? What hand that we beat? Not being combative; just looking for a range.
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#13
06-29-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
EP: KK, KQ, JT, AQ, maybe 99, JQ, AA (probly not). The small bet looks like a blocker imo. I don't buy him cold calling with ANY hand that beats you on the flop...he has to be scared of a weird turn with either JJ/QQ or AK, right? If he did slowplay on this board he's not as good as you think.
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#14
06-29-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
Soooooooo...
Everyone is afraid that UTG has exactly AK, QQ, and JJ? What .... the... [censored]!? UTG is going to play AA pretty strong as well, guys. I agree with calling but if UTG shoves I am never ever ever ever folding here. By calling we heavily underrep our hand and he could easily put us on a hand like KQ and shove KK/AA for value and protection, especially given the donk's presence in the hand. I (hope) we are all agreed that we likely have MP drawing dead or to 4 outs or something.
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06-29-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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[ QUOTE ] if u cold call flop, and utg leads 1/2 pot and mp calls turn, please o please o PLEASE stick it in. [/ QUOTE ] What hand could UTG have that would call the raise and lead for $100 on the turn? What hand that we beat? Not being combative; just looking for a range. [/ QUOTE ] really dont care what hand he has, all i know is it isnt in front of us. I dont see how he could possibly play AK/QQ/JJ that way on the flop when he has so many brutal cards to come that wreck him or kill his action, knowing he has a serious donk in the hand who likely isnt folding and a very solid player who cold called a lead and a raise on one of the scariest boards ever. If he has you toasted here, well....BBV
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06-29-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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Soooooooo... Everyone is afraid that UTG has exactly AK, QQ, and JJ? What .... the... [censored]!? UTG is going to play AA pretty strong as well, guys. I agree with calling but if UTG shoves I am never ever ever ever folding here. By calling we heavily underrep our hand and he could easily put us on a hand like KQ and shove KK/AA for value and protection, especially given the donk's presence in the hand. I (hope) we are all agreed that we likely have MP drawing dead or to 4 outs or something. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough, and yes, we agree that MP is a Post Toastie. Hero called, UTG raised $100 on top, MP mucked. Plan now?
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#17
06-29-2007, 04:08 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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[ QUOTE ] Soooooooo... Everyone is afraid that UTG has exactly AK, QQ, and JJ? What .... the... [censored]!? UTG is going to play AA pretty strong as well, guys. I agree with calling but if UTG shoves I am never ever ever ever folding here. By calling we heavily underrep our hand and he could easily put us on a hand like KQ and shove KK/AA for value and protection, especially given the donk's presence in the hand. I (hope) we are all agreed that we likely have MP drawing dead or to 4 outs or something. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough, and yes, we agree that MP is a Post Toastie. Hero called, UTG raised $100 on top, MP mucked. Plan now? [/ QUOTE ] WAIT wtf is the action on the turn? I thought you checked and UTG bet 1/2 pot? Is this last bit on the flop? Please be specific ok?
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#18
06-29-2007, 04:15 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Soooooooo... Everyone is afraid that UTG has exactly AK, QQ, and JJ? What .... the... [censored]!? UTG is going to play AA pretty strong as well, guys. I agree with calling but if UTG shoves I am never ever ever ever folding here. By calling we heavily underrep our hand and he could easily put us on a hand like KQ and shove KK/AA for value and protection, especially given the donk's presence in the hand. I (hope) we are all agreed that we likely have MP drawing dead or to 4 outs or something. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough, and yes, we agree that MP is a Post Toastie. Hero called, UTG raised $100 on top, MP mucked. Plan now? [/ QUOTE ] WAIT wtf is the action on the turn? I thought you checked and UTG bet 1/2 pot? Is this last bit on the flop? Please be specific ok? [/ QUOTE ] pretty sure that was a hypothetical... as is...shiiiiiiit...it certainly doesnt look great for u, but i dont fold sets...probably not a bad time to do so here though...and shoving AA/KK for value here is sicksicksicksicksick.
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#19
06-29-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
Yeah, UTG led, MP raised, Hero called, UTG raised $100 more and MP folded. I think it's a pretty easy fold from there. Either villain's overplaying KK-AA (unlikely) or he has QQ-JJ or maybe AK. It's just way too likely that we're behind and drawing to one out.
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#20
06-29-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: You Know I Want To But We\'re In Too Deep. Live 1/2
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Yeah, UTG led, MP raised, Hero called, UTG raised $100 more and MP folded. I think it's a pretty easy fold from there. Either villain's overplaying KK-AA (unlikely) or he has QQ-JJ or maybe AK. It's just way too likely that we're behind and drawing to one out. [/ QUOTE ] OK if that's the flop action I have to push (OR CALL??). Set over set is a coolinator. This isn't overplaying AA/KK at all, it's pretty standard for those hands vs MP and OP's coldcall imo. We gots outs on AK, let's rock. Edit: on reflection a push is retarded probably. Call and check turn to see what he does.
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