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Old 06-29-2007, 10:11 AM
Specialwon Specialwon is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

Yeah, re the numbers, I think you can safely assume that the majority of full stacks have a basic grasp of position at that level. So, it's a lot tighter UTG. Just speaking from my own experience.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:17 AM
King Spew King Spew is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

If everyone is 40%+ on Party, this is comparatively tight. But he is not tight. His range is bigger than you gave him.

Sabr's no content was about my check folding flop. Against a "tightie", are we even calling the PFR? Sabr is a good player and posts good strat. I was just chiding/goading him into adding content to this thread. I thought you advocated folding flop in your first post here.

I'm a US player that used to love the fishiness of Party.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:23 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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Check/fold this flop is best bet.

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Dude c/f is insane! You realise that this player is capable of c-betting with much much more than AK, right?

c/c is the best line to take here.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

Yup, most regs in my book are 40+, very occasionally I see a shortie on 20 or less. No, we are not playing this hand ever, I think actually we agree on almost everything except whether AJ is in his UTG raising range, about which who cares anyhow, so peace bro. You should buy a flat in like bulgaria or somewhere and then you can get back in the fish tank. I don't like the US sites, too many hungry players.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:36 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

I c/c the flop- I don't see any reason to lead here. This flop is totally dry, he will bet this with 100% of his hands, and you are ahead of his range. Betting may get called by a worse hand, but it will fold out a lot of them as well- checking will get money from all of his weaker hands.

If he checks behind on the flop, I will lead the turn and fold to a re-raise. If he calls the turn, I will bet the river for value.

If he fires at the flop, I will call planning to c/c the turn. If he fires on the turn, I will call planning to c/c the river. Yeah he might have AK, but sounds like he gets to plenty of showdowns without the goods so there's enough of a chance that he's bluffing the whole way or has a weaker ace.

If he fires on the flop but checks behind on the turn, bet the river for value.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:36 AM
King Spew King Spew is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

crunny.... against a tightie?

TBH, on FTP, I'm maybe reraising PF (depends on a better read) and LEADING for PSB or a little less.

To check call, you commiting to check/calling all the way home? It's a one pair hand. I want to decide it early against this villain on FTP. On Party, where this is a tightie.... I guess you are calling for what reason?
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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I'm calling for flush value only.

[/ QUOTE ]Then fold PF.

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are you calling good sized bets on all three streets?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:40 AM
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AQs is a perfectly good opening hand from anywhere around the ring, but oop to a raise....particularly from early in the ring....fold it, bc there's too much of a risk that you're against AK.

[/ QUOTE ]The chances that you are against AK aren't that high against someone raising 15% of his hands.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

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Sabr's no content was about my check folding flop.

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I thought check/folding the flop was a joke suggestion.

It makes no sense to see a flop and then immediately check/fold after hitting an ace.

Against a guy raising 15% I prefer just 3-betting pf.
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Top Pair OOP against LAG

call stack a donk turn. He probably overvalues AJ AT or is pissed you lead into him and will bluff again on the turn.
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