$10 QQ in small blind - Page 2

PokerPhenom · #11 06-27-2007, 03:28 AM

Sorry I wasn't able to respond to any posts sooner as I was at a concert all day. I would like some more clarity as to why, as played, check folding the flop is bad. I understand I have committed a lot of chips to this hand as it is, but why commit more if I believe myself to be beat. He was one of the few players I would have laid this down to at the table, if not the only one. Even as a big stack he had a) barely raised and b) shown down nothing but the winning hand when he had bet post-flop so it led me to believe he had hit the king. I believe if he had jj-tt or even aa-kk he likely reshoves preflop, so after his play on the flop I no longer believe my qq is ahead so why should I stick the rest of my stack out there?

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Unfoldable hand. OOP. Standard reraise to 2.5-3K commits you to calling a push with any hand you'd reraise with ====> just shove it preflop

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This is the advice I like best with just calling being a close second so far as I believe I play post flop fairly well. Thanks again.

SuperUberBob · #12 06-27-2007, 03:53 AM

Make standard re-raise. Shove any flop.

If you shove preflop, you're only called by JJ+, AK unless you're against a total donkey. You won't get lesser hands to call you.

betgo · #13 06-27-2007, 04:52 AM

Preflop is probably best and the most standard. Pushing and flat calling are also fine.

On the flop, you need to get the money in. The fold is bad.

Larude · #14 06-27-2007, 05:15 AM

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Make standard re-raise. Shove any flop.

If you shove preflop, you're only called by JJ+, AK unless you're against a total donkey. You won't get lesser hands to call you.

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If villain knows you are pretty potcommitted isn't his callingrange of your triple raise pretty much the same? MP3 could be stealing or he could have inferior hands I would like to get some money out; if he has KK, AA the money is going in no matter what; if he has AJ, AT, A9, JJ, a midpair After thinking about it again I definitely want to make some money on this hand and don't fold him out with a big reraise. If an ace or king comes on the flop I can still bet out and fold to any aggression or check/call and evaluate on the turn.

jgunnip · #15 06-27-2007, 05:48 AM

I push preflop with 13 effective bb. WE're 47% against JJ+, AK and with the dead money in the pot I'm fine getting it in against that range. They also fold sometimes and we're take the pot without a shodown so pushing is obv ok.

The question is whether 3betting and pushing any flop when called is more +EV. I really don't know.

registrar · #16 06-27-2007, 05:52 AM

I push this preflop when a big stack has only raised 3 times in 90 hands. He's not folding.

sick0fbe4tz · #17 06-27-2007, 08:31 AM

90 hands ain't much, but I feel like it gives me a somewhat clear view that this player is limping with drawing/medium hands and only come out raising his strong hands. I don't want to make a bet and get called by AK who will fold to our flop-push. The only way that I can think of getting all chips in the pot as a favorite is by pushing this preflop. And with our stack and the pot already, I think it's a pretty easy push preflop.

usha · #18 06-27-2007, 08:41 AM

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I push this preflop when a big stack has only raised 3 times in 90 hands. He's not folding.

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If you know he's not folding, and he's 3% PFR, aren't you slightly better at best (AK) and behind (KK-AA) most of the time here?

Explain why its not enough reasoning for a cold call PF?

registrar · #19 06-27-2007, 08:56 AM

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I push this preflop when a big stack has only raised 3 times in 90 hands. He's not folding.

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If you know he's not folding, and he's 3% PFR, aren't you slightly better at best (AK) and behind (KK-AA) most of the time here?

Explain why its not enough reasoning for a cold call PF?

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The guy should be at least raising AQ+, TT pf even if he's relatively tight. If we call, we probably generally stack off agaisnt better hands (KK+) anyway (this shallow, you'll be down to the felt before you can establish with any certainty you're behind), allow hands like TT-JJ to get away, bluff us off or not get full value on non A/K flops, and only get more money out of AQ+ when it hits.

If villain was more aggro, I like calling more, but here I think he's calling a push most of the time and we are way ahead of his raise-calling range.

Also, whatever we do, it's kind of hard not to look strong. Calling out of the SB, unless we have a passive station image, looks strong, raising less than ai looks very strong, pushing looks strong. So get the chips in while we're ahead of his range.