bet river when only chance to win even tought u think ure beat?

[marchron]

I'm not folding diddly squat once you check the turn.

You might have got Villain off a better hand if you bet every street. Against a loose passive villain that's spew, but them's the breaks being OOP.

[terencetsao]

ya.. maybe flop is a fold too.

[Wetdog]

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ya.. maybe flop is a fold too.

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ya .. maybe every flop is a fold. Maybe every pf is a fold too.

Bet/call the damn flop. c/f turn.

[NIX]

Are people serious about donking the flop HU?

[Clinger]

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Are people serious about donking the flop HU?

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Yea, I'd b/f the flop. Check/fold the turn if my flop bet is called, and check/call the river if he checks behind on the turn.

Why's that bad? I'm still learning too.

[Wetdog]

With the PF cap and the turn check give me a range.

Can someone say a weak A?

Somebody gimme an amen!

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So, if we go agro on the flop, do we get a fold given no read from OP?

Has anyone ever been against a villain who will sit on an A till the devil comes to get him?

Can I get an amen?

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Nice hand. They lose sometimes. Welcome to poker.

[NIX]

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Yea, I'd b/f the flop. Check/fold the turn if my flop bet is called, and check/call the river if he checks behind on the turn.

Why's that bad? I'm still learning too.

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I don't like a donk, but I'm open to suggestions if someone can give me a good argument for it.

Basically, I think it gives your hand away unless you donk Ax here too, since I would expect a lot of people (including unknowns) to check/raise AK/AQs here, and really any hand worthwhile in most 2/3 way pots. Also, your bet is going to have to accomplish one of two things: either get called by a worse hand or get a better hand to fold. The only worse hand that stands a chance of calling is JJ, and depending on how many hands the read in the OP is based on, JJ may not be in Villain's range. So, you're going to need to fold out KK/QQ. It may happen, but I wouldn't expect it on the flop because I can't remember ever seeing someone cap PF and fold the flop for 1 bet closing the action.

What this means is that you are giving up too early on the valuebetting if he has JJ (and lose the entire pot if he bets when you give up on the turn) and are getting owned by AA/TT/AK if you do decide to fire again on the turn which you're most likely going to have to do if you want to have a chance of getting a fold from KK/QQ

[infinity235]

Villain has a monster. He induced you to bluff the river.

[Seven_of_Cups]

The c/c on the flop tells you nothing and the checks after that give you more nothing. Bet the flop. If you get raised re-raise to find out where you are. I might even consider betting the turn if raised to find out what he has. There is always the chance he's bluffing...

[NIX]

I think bet/calling the flop and then leading the turn is not a good plan.