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#11
06-23-2007, 06:05 PM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This hand is a great example of 'small ball.' I probably would have shoved the turn (I also would have bet the flop hoping that I could 3-bet all in) but the way you played it let you get to a point where you knew you were beat and save some chips for later. The river is definitely a fold, you beat absolutely nothing and an old lady giving off tells is not bluffing. [/ QUOTE ] Great, don't get all the money in with a set so you can make a heroic fold if a backdoor flush hits and save a few chips. [/ QUOTE ] Great. Nonchalantly dismiss an entire element of tournament poker theory because it is not how you and your internet buddies play; even though it was evmax here and many highly successful players advocate its use FWIW, I don't play small ball either but that does not mean we can't learn from situations where it might be the best option [/ QUOTE ] I am not dismissing small ball. I am dismissing keeping the pot small with a set. That is not what I would consider an effective use of small ball. 
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#12
06-23-2007, 06:06 PM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This hand is a great example of 'small ball.' I probably would have shoved the turn (I also would have bet the flop hoping that I could 3-bet all in) but the way you played it let you get to a point where you knew you were beat and save some chips for later. The river is definitely a fold, you beat absolutely nothing and an old lady giving off tells is not bluffing. [/ QUOTE ] Great, don't get all the money in with a set so you can make a heroic fold if a backdoor flush hits and save a few chips. [/ QUOTE ] Great. Nonchalantly dismiss an entire element of tournament poker theory because it is not how you and your internet buddies play; even though it was evmax here and many highly successful players advocate its use FWIW, I don't play small ball either but that does not mean we can't learn from situations where it might be the best option [/ QUOTE ] Yeah although please note that we also lose about 1700 in value when she doesn't have a spade and the river goes check check, while also giving us the chance of being bluffed out, however small you may think it is.
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#13
06-23-2007, 07:58 PM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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You are getting 5.5-1. You have to be awfully sure to fold the river. [/ QUOTE ] But I am pretty sure. Again, if I could figure out a hand that she would play like this and have my hand be ahead, I certainly would have called. I couldn't, and I still can't. The closest hand I think is something like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], at which point she's the greatest genius in history.
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#14
06-24-2007, 12:44 AM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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btw I also bet the flop [/ QUOTE ] How much? The pot is T350. I have T5,200. I have 6 actives behind me (!!), varying in stack from about T2,000 to T7,000. With the board of J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'm terrified of a lot of things, x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]y[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], KQ, Q9, 98, heck, AA-66 is always a concern. If I overbet the pot significantly (T500-T1,050), how much action am I going to get? I'm pricing out all the draws and might not get much action for a very small pot. My huge fear is I bet and get a slew of callers. Check-raising strikes me as the best way to knock out a bunch of guys and to win the biggest pot. Sure, there's the weird chance that all 6 players behind me will check, but it struck me as extremely unlikely at the time. At that point I'm praying for a non-spade 6, 4, 3 or 2.
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#15
06-24-2007, 01:33 AM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
I didn't read most of the explanations for calling the river because I have no idea what drugs you have to be on to assume that old women ever bluff, but this, right here, is a good example of what makes Internet players suck at live poker.
edit: oh yeah, for the love of God, shove the turn
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#16
06-24-2007, 02:21 AM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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I have no idea what drugs you have to be on to assume that old women ever bluff [/ QUOTE ] Me neither But it is pretty funny to watch two people argue and somehow both be wrong
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#17
06-24-2007, 02:52 AM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
Try to smoothtalk the old lady into the sack for some bouncing fun.. make sure she holds the nuts..
lol
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#20
06-24-2007, 04:27 AM
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Re: Hand 14 of $500+$40 at Wynn, 6/15/2007
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[ QUOTE ] who is saying hero shouldn't have folded the river anyway? [/ QUOTE ] Did you read betgo's posts? [/ QUOTE ] He never really said you should fold, he said once that you should be careful getting 5.5-1 on the river, which I think is a reasonable comment to make. You should pretty much always be careful about folding a set on the river in this circumstance. Oops missed one post where he does say to fold the river. Whatever he doesn't go too crazy championing a call.
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