New AFI 100 (best American films)

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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KBZ: Moviemaking is one area where getting there first is significant. For instance, in the last list, "The Jazz Singer" was listed. It wasn't a great movie, but it did usher in the use of sound.

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I'm all for originality & creativity points, that stuff matters. it's just that the notion of the 'good old days' is often wrong, so I'm a bit skeptical when I see I list dominated by things made 50+ years ago.

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Some more comments:

Wow, "The Searchers" moves up from 96 to 12. This was the movie we hated most, but that's because it completely leveled us. We thought that since the movie was from the 50's, the John Wayne character was unintentionally racist, but the whole point of the movie was that he was racist.

As I said before, the Charlie Chaplin movies were so awesome. This list is awesome if it gets people to rediscover those. I would have never watched them otherwise. I'm trying to remember which one was really really good. I think it was "City Lights". I'm glad it moved up.

Unforgiven moves up. We weren't clear at the time whether it would stand the test of time, but obviously it has. "The Silence of the Lambs" stays, which kind of surprises me.

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KBZ: Moviemaking is one area where getting there first is significant. For instance, in the last list, "The Jazz Singer" was listed. It wasn't a great movie, but it did usher in the use of sound.

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I'm all for originality & creativity points, that stuff matters. it's just that the notion of the 'good old days' is often wrong, so I'm a bit skeptical when I see I list dominated by things made 50+ years ago.

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Yeah I hear you, all I'm saying is that there was more unexplored territory 50 years ago, so it's not surprising that more innovations came back then, rather than now.

Anyway, I shared your thoughts before I saw most of these. Do you have any qualms with the old movies listed? Watch the ones you haven't seen. Some of these movies are simply amazing.

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

list is horrible.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

I'm really not a movie buff at all. I've never even seen.


1. "Citizen Kane" (1941)
3. "Casablanca" (1942)
5. "Singin' in the Rain" (1952)
6. "Gone With the Wind" (1939)
7. "Lawrence of Arabia" (1962)
11. "City Lights" (1931)
12. "The Searchers" (1956)

I will, and report back! perhaps I am dead wrong.

[secretprankster]

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It's not best KB4Z, it's greatest.

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I'm not sure what the difference is. and neither does econophile I guess.

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Re: New AFI 100 (best American films)

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Well, I could very well be wrong, but I've always taken "greatest" to connote cultural importance, cinematic influence, etc., while "best" chiefly refers to pure quality. I think this partly explains why 1930s-1950s films dominate these lists.

[Jack of Arcades]

13. Star Wars
62. American Graffiti
???. Empire Strikes back

Seems a methodology flaw that greatly favors original movies in a series and older movies.

It's a pretty good list, but I don't doubt that most people could come up with the same list if they tried.

Serious question: What about Back to the Future?

I'd like to see a top 100 American films from 1980-present

[Kneel B4 Zod]

also I'm posting this in protest

[catalyst]

Hey OOT, looks like raging bull is >>>>> goodfellas afterall................

I enjoyed sixth sense, but is that really one of the greatest 100 movies of all time?

[Triumph36]

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KBZ: Moviemaking is one area where getting there first is significant. For instance, in the last list, "The Jazz Singer" was listed. It wasn't a great movie, but it did usher in the use of sound.

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I'm all for originality & creativity points, that stuff matters. it's just that the notion of the 'good old days' is often wrong, so I'm a bit skeptical when I see I list dominated by things made 50+ years ago.

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I feel like on this list, a lot of movies get bumped up because they were the first to do something. There's still lots of innovation in film, but it's on more obscure things.

wait a minute, The Sixth Sense? I didn't see this (had ending ruined for me), but I guarantee this movie will be off the list by the next time they make one.