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Old 06-17-2007, 06:59 AM
Deelah Deelah is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

"... I hate folding..."

Well, isnt this a very standard allin shove?!

If you call and a non-spade turn hits you still dont know what to do and the pot is big by then. I just dont get it but Im very curious to hear your thoughts about the hand.
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Old 06-17-2007, 07:13 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

I wouldnt fold this without a better read than "might be a nit", and shoving >>> calling
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:19 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

I'd just go all in, not be happy about it, but know that i wouldn't be able to forgive myself in the morning if i fold pocket aces1
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

I would just call.

Going all in seems to be the worst idea since either the vilain has a monster has a set or a flush, and you wont make him fold, OR he has got KKs,QQs or KsJ and giving him a free card is almost harmless.

The problem is that you wont gain much more information by calling, as shoving wont as well. Your stakes are not deep enough to reraise him unfortunately.

Calling seems ok since even in the worst scenario ie he has got already the flush, you still have 7 outs which gives you a little bit less than 5.5/1 odds and the pot offers you almost 2.5/1. I think regarding your implied odds and his stake, it is going to be profitable for you if you cacth your flush (btw, if the vilain is tight he has got probably a King high flush). Moreover, if he has got something like a set or an overpair your odds is now 4/1 which makes the call easy postflop thanks to the implied odds.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

Given that your plan is to bet/fold this flop. Would you not consider checking the flop?
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

push.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:07 AM
aurelien aurelien is offline
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

Not so sure. Check/fold is not the right method, since your opponent could bet with a wide range of hands if you ckeck the flop. Betting is important since you need to gain some information.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:02 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

Instashove, villain has a set and u make flush on river - standard stuff
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

This is all-in or fold (you don't have the odds to call only to hit a spade on the turn), and you don't have much (any?) folding equity. If villian has a flush, you're 31.5% (w/o st flush draw). You're 35% against a set. Assuming you shove and he calls, you need 42% equity in the hand for it to be profitable. Without a better read I'd shove, but folding is probably correct. Calling is the only wrong option.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Live 10/25 @ the WSOP... I hate folding...

you can call for other reasons aside from drawing.
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