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Old 06-10-2007, 04:48 PM
Backspin20 Backspin20 is offline
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

How does everyone feel about FTs decison? I mean do you think its possible 100% to detect a bot? How about other sites? If so and they are completley accurate then his money should be used to help fix this update!
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

FTP was supposed to tell a trusted mod like Mike Haven about their finding in detail. Then Mike would share his opinion. I dunno why this hasn't happened yet
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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FTP was supposed to tell a trusted mod like Mike Haven about their finding in detail. Then Mike would share his opinion. I dunno why this hasn't happened yet

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I think this will happen but they are have to figure out how much they want to show present to him and still have the evidence irrefutable.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

And YES I got my Hermaphrodite monster to upload!!!!!!!
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Old 06-10-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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What I think that you don't get is that YOU have to prove that you're NOT a bot.

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How do you prove you're not a bot? You can't prove a negative for the most part.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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What I think that you don't get is that YOU have to prove that you're NOT a bot.

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How do you prove you're not a bot? You can't prove a negative for the most part.

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You know, I hear that thrown around all the time, and its basically bull. I can prove that the earth isn't flat. I can prove that I am not an 80 year old grandmother. I can prove that I am not African American. I can prove that I am not female. I can prove that I don't weigh less than 160 pounds. I can prove that I am not a doctor, a teacher, a magician, or a professional wrestler.

So, umm, you can prove a negative.
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Old 06-10-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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What I think that you don't get is that YOU have to prove that you're NOT a bot.

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How do you prove you're not a bot? You can't prove a negative for the most part .

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You know, I hear that thrown around all the time, and its basically bull. I can prove that the earth isn't flat. I can prove that I am not an 80 year old grandmother. I can prove that I am not African American. I can prove that I am not female. I can prove that I don't weigh less than 160 pounds. I can prove that I am not a doctor, a teacher, a magician, or a professional wrestler.

So, umm, you can prove a negative.

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Bolded important part. You can prove most of those negatives you mentioned, except the last sentance.

How about this, prove you are not a shoplifter.
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Old 06-10-2007, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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How about this, prove you are not a shoplifter.

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Don't do it! Otherwise people will be able to improve their shoplifter bots...
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Old 06-10-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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What I think that you don't get is that YOU have to prove that you're NOT a bot.

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How do you prove you're not a bot? You can't prove a negative for the most part.

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You know, I hear that thrown around all the time, and its basically bull. I can prove that the earth isn't flat. I can prove that I am not an 80 year old grandmother. I can prove that I am not African American. I can prove that I am not female. I can prove that I don't weigh less than 160 pounds. I can prove that I am not a doctor, a teacher, a magician, or a professional wrestler.

So, umm, you can prove a negative.

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jman220: The examples you gave are not representative of what is typically meant by the expression "you cannot prove a negative" (YCPAN)

In each of your cases:
- flat earth
- 80 year old grandma
- African American
- female
- 160 pounds
- doctor, teacher, magician, wrestler

You're making a positive measurement on something (i.e. your weight). You weigh yourself on a given scale and the scale reads 160 pounds and thus your positive measurement rules out other values in the set.

Some better examples of YCPAN are:

Sites cannot prove there are no humans playing
Sites cannot prove there are no bots playing
SETI cannot prove ET's do not exist
Policeman cannot prove nobody will speed today.
You cannot prove no human weighs exactly 123.456789 kilos.
You cannot prove you will never weigh less than 160 pounds.

Another way to state YCPAN is:

You cannot measure all things.
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Old 06-10-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: Prove I\'m a bot Mr. Gatorade

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What I think that you don't get is that YOU have to prove that you're NOT a bot.

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"You're a bot, but we're not going to provide any evidence that you are a bot. Now refute this non-evidence and prove that you are not a bot."

LOL
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