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Old 06-08-2007, 04:03 AM
stigmata stigmata is offline
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

FWIW I don't like raising QTs utg when I have no reads & no PAHUD, but whatever, I am a nit at times.
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:05 AM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

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no read because i just sat and pokerace is being slow for me with the new upgrade. in my experience the pot bet is usually a monster or a bluff.

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Any flush here is a monster

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but there are more big flushes than little ones
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:07 AM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

shoving here after he pots it is bad.

fwiw, i see people play the nfd 2nfd like this a lot. still, it's a must call.
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

yeah i think call is fine
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:31 AM
El_Hombre_Grande El_Hombre_Grande is offline
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

No hand makes as much sense as a bigger flush, because of the pre flop raise. I'd like to believe that there is a substantial possibility of 2 pr, but I don't see it. J10s (wrong suit) would have blasted you on the turn.

So, monster or bluff, right? I call.
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:40 AM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

k i am convinced that call is right. results don't matter much. he had T7hh for missed oesd
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Old 06-08-2007, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

A small flush probably seem like the nuts to him anyway when itīs backdoored and you check..If he is very tricky, he could have JT or 33 too imo, 22 if he is a station..
Anyway: 97dd ,J9dd is as likely as A9dd, AJdd..

It seems kinda close, but given that people are likely to do something stupid if given the option, I think he will call worse more than 50% if you push and even if he folds some whatever hand, it will still make him feel owned be more likely to tilt.
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Old 06-08-2007, 06:44 AM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

Flop is fine since there aren't a whole lot of worse hands that can really call, and there aren't a ton of bad cards for you either. I'd probably bet it most of the time, but thinking about it now, I wonder how good it really is, aside from a "make the hand easier" kind of way.

Turn: okey dokey.

River: Bet it. I think a c/r is pretty ugly here. He basically needs a flush to call, aside from a rare hero call/funny ass slowplay gone wrong. and you are behind to the majority of his flushes.

There are 6 nut flushes, and one reasonable K high flush (KJ).
AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] probably repops pre, but he might show up with K9 or some junk sometimes, so lets just call it an even 6 combos.

For flushes you beat, he can have J9, 97, 67, 45(pretty gross call), and a few pretty gross looking 9x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hands/7x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hands that you'll basically never see.

I kind of like the fake blocker, since he'll almost certainly move with all flushes, might move with a bluff, not to mention he'll usually call with any showdown value.

As played, just call, for the reasons I mention above.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

I'm betting $150 on this river, and if I'm that CONFIDENT in my read, I would consider folding to his push.

When you play the river like this I can't see how you don't check raise all in.
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: i was all ready to shove, then he potted it

I would push.. He's probably going to call with smaller flush, right?
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