How to avoid crushing suck-outs over and over and over....?

[SuperUberBob]

When you get your money in, you want to be in a situation where you have to get sucked out on to lose. Mathematically, you have to get unlucky in poker. It sucks. But it happens.

[uliv1ce]

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Ok,so you got some though replies,and no wonder,for this being your first post,it comes across as somewhat whiney,and,like someone already said,this is a strategy forum.

Anyhoo,I'll try to be nice here and give you an example....

You are in the WSOP ME,and it's bubbletime,one of the money,and you are 2nd in chips overall. You are in the BB,everybody folds around to the SB,who happens to be the chipleader. He goes all-in,you look down at AA. What do you do??

You call ofcourse,SB(prob Jamie Gold) turns over 2-5o,flop comes 2-2-5. Thankyou and goodbye.

You would never fold in this situation ever,you just happened to get unlucky.Money went in good,he drew out on you. Usually things aren't as clear cut obviously,but the moral of the story....as lons as your money goes in ina good spot,you did your job.

Even with this sick beat,you are "only" a little better than 4:1,so you will lose 1 out of 5 times.6:4? Lose 4 out of 10 times. There's no strategy to avoid bad beats.This is the simplest of math,if your money goes in before all the cards are dealt,the numbers take over. And similar to that,just because you lost on AA last time you had'em,doesn't mean you'd win 4 in a row before they are cracked again. If you were to play 50000 hands a month,you'd see that the numbers will pretty much even themselves out. If you are like me,playing mainly live,the number of hands you see are a lot smaller,and the bad runs seem to last a lot longer....on the upside,the good ones go on for a while to....I think

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My apologies if it sounded whiney...that's probably my frustration coming through; I do appreciate your patience and explanation. I do really want to know if my strategy is flawed somehow and it sounds like it is not. So, I appreciate the confirmation. Read my last post...matches your AA analogy. Oh well...now, can someone give me a Genie in a bottle? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Thanks again...

[Brann]

Hand 1) I'd do the same as you.

Hand 2) You KNEW he was on a draw? Really? Mini-raises are often made by players holding a small pair (like 3's) where they'd love to take the pot down before the flop. A set of 3's here would not have been a surprise. That said, if you have top 2 pair, why not bet the pot? Or at least 3/4s? Half just seems like an Ace-rag bet where you're "hoping" it's good. He might've made the move because he thought you had a weak Ace and could push you off of it. As a fallback, he had the draw.

All that being said, I've had about the same luck in those FPP WSOP qualifiers, so what the heck do I know? lol [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[shdw01]

gotta learn to take the suckouts and roll with the punches...if not, throw your computer in the pool, off the balcony, through a window, etc.

After a while, you will break all the keys on your computer and you will learn to type on feel alone!

[uliv1ce]

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Hand 1) I'd do the same as you.

Hand 2) You KNEW he was on a draw? Really? Mini-raises are often made by players holding a small pair (like 3's) where they'd love to take the pot down before the flop. A set of 3's here would not have been a surprise. That said, if you have top 2 pair, why not bet the pot? Or at least 3/4s? Half just seems like an Ace-rag bet where you're "hoping" it's good. He might've made the move because he thought you had a weak Ace and could push you off of it. As a fallback, he had the draw.

All that being said, I've had about the same luck in those FPP WSOP qualifiers, so what the heck do I know? lol [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I'd like to give Brann a few gold stars, a pat on the back and a big 'thank you'. His post was exactly the kind of strategy comment I was looking for. Particularly the discussion about the size of the bets I was placing (and yes, I did "know" [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ). I began to think about it and realized I was not adjusting my bet sizes to either the way the table/tourney was playing nor to the fact that it generally takes "more" to push in an on-line tourney than face-2-face.

After reading his comment, I began to adjust upwards my betting and, low and behold, the number of suckouts by opponents have dropped dramatically. I've been able to get very, very deep into the tourney's now and think I may have overcome this particular issue. I've found I need some additional strategy help for a different kind of situation, so I'll post a new thread on that one.

Again, Brann...thanks very much. You've helped me! And, thanks to the rest of you for your help as well. There is real value here!

[anjichpa]

There are two ways to avoid getting sucked out on.

1) Don't play.
2) Always get your money in bad.

Bad beats are part of play, and there isn't much anyone can say except to keep a level head and to walk away if its affecting your play. It might help if you try to view every play by your expectation from it when the money goes in. If it is positive and you lose, it's simply the cards.

[HY77]

If you think you're running bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet!

If you are a decent player, chances are you'll get your money in when your hand is better than the opponents, and thus you'll get sucked out on more often.

[ssnyc]

no question thats runs happen (both good and bad) and the bad ones really suck...have to stick with your game plan and try not to assume that the worst will happen...I made 3 final tables in 8 tournies...since I have lost every hand you have spoken off and then some...every race (both directions), over pair vs under pair and overpair vs SCs...

No question it sucks but as long as you feel you are making the correct decision and your bankroll can weather it it will turn!!!! Good luck and keep making them suck out to beat you...

[ssnyc]

for the record..still ugly and it sucks...feel like I'm playing nothing but AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK and been losing everything...It will turn...right?

[Dunkman]

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for the record..still ugly and it sucks...feel like I'm playing nothing but AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK and been losing everything...It will turn...right?

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Yeah it will, MTT variance is brutal. You have to be able to handle it to be a successful player...it's difficult for everyone.