I muckbottom set facing overbet - 22 @ 5/10nl deep stax

[ikestoys]

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protecting hand < protecting stack when deep

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LOL A++++++, that is the worst thing i've read in msnl in quite a while.

you aren't protecting your hand, you are clearly betting for value

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what are you betting for value against?

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two pairs, QJ, 98, flush draw

i don't see why he automatically has KQ here

[ikestoys]

oh
and jx, 10x

[jfish]

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protecting hand < protecting stack when deep

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LOL A++++++, that is the worst thing i've read in msnl in quite a while.

you aren't protecting your hand, you are clearly betting for value

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what are you betting for value against?

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you're a farily smart kid, do you really have to ask a question this ridiculous?

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im not saying there isn't anything to value bet against.

I am just wondering what he thinks the range is for checking to be a huge mistake.

I don't think checking is ridiculous, as we can get a bluff from a lot of hands and sometimes a wider value bet. I don't think villain ever has TJ and I think that JQ will only call one bet anyway, 98 may end up calling the river. I think flushes almost always fold and a lot will bluff the river.

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but you are giving soo much value up to draws true, you have to bet turn

this is not a board to give out free cards to induce bluffs

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Bet the turn because:

-Cykla is more likely to have KQ given PFR stats, and he's only 100bb
-even if deep guy has kq hes going to check minraise the turn anyway so call it and stack on paired riv
-they're both donk calling stations, you're not going to get raised by a draw like ever, and most of the time they wont even raise two pair, turned or otherwise
-betting that turn is a show of huge strength from you into two donks, but they dont know the significance of that so saying you won't get two more bets out of any pair from at least one of them is ridiculous... they have 35 wtsd.
-guys like this aren't going to bluff the riv enough to justify chking turn with even AA or equiv to induce.

riv is a good fold tho... donk calling station + overbet (i dont care if its 1 cent) = nuts. period.

But anyway, you really have to recognize how bad the turn is, or you are going to leave a ton of money on the table against players like these...

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unarmed that is a good explanation thanks. I think I overestimated petro's cr range and didnt wanna get bluffed out by 2pair; he wioudnt mincr me either... it would be 3x.

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riv is a good fold tho... donk calling station + overbet (i dont care if its 1 cent) = nuts. period.



SO TRUE YET I CAN NEVER GET THIS IN MY HEAD!

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didnt look at reads, just thought was 6 good tags since 1knl lol