Another likely lame Ax defending story

[gehrig]

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GEHRIGS RULE OF HEADS UP POST FLOP PLAY:

if a hypothetical villain bets his entire range on every street, and check/calling down blind is even close to a break-even strategy against this, then check/folding the flop against a real villain with the same range is a bad play

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when i posted this it seemed intuitively true and kind of obvious but thinking about it im not sure its true, so rereading this thread pretend i toned down the authoratative tone in this post

[bugstud]

can someone run pstove here for the difference in equity for A5 v A2 against buttons range

[sharpie]

Board: Qs 8h 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.652% 60.99% 04.66% 3351210 256050.00 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 34.348% 29.69% 04.66% 1631190 256050.00 { A5o }

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Board: Qs 8h 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.393% 63.72% 04.67% 3519939 258219.00 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 31.607% 26.93% 04.67% 1487823 258219.00 { A2o }

[joker122]

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Anyways, probably lame and rambling but the essential point is that if I c/c this flop I'm not representing anything except exactly what I have and I expect my opponent to play well enough on the turn and the river to give me fits and cost me money."

this is why i started to cr the turn with my good draws.

[MarkD]

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This is exactly the problem. I'm a relentless flop checkraiser. Change the 6 to a 2 and I usually c/r.


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A5o - Q82... you CR here as a default play against a good player? I assume you then lead all turns?

I don't think I'm ever CR'ing in that spot. What am I missing?

[danzasmack]

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Anyways, probably lame and rambling but the essential point is that if I c/c this flop I'm not representing anything except exactly what I have and I expect my opponent to play well enough on the turn and the river to give me fits and cost me money."

this is why i started to cr the turn with my good draws.

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This works for you?

[joker122]

it works in the sense that it is a good balancing tool i.e. it gets me more free river cards than i probably should. it also works in that i think i have more fold equity. so yeah it works.

edit - i just read my own post and it looks like i'm saying CRing the turn with my good draws is my default. that's certainly not the case.

edit again - another thing danza is that these days i'm playing againts a pretty small pool of opponents and so i find it more and more important to turn off auto-pilot and find places to "mix it up" as they say. and one good way to do that is to cr the turn with hands i would normally cr the flop with, which includes good draws, middle pair, and top pair.

[Victor]

when im playing well, and running well, and have a good image there is no way im folding this flop.

thats pretty rare tho.

[joker122]

"when im playing well, and running well, and have a good image there is no way im folding this flop."

funny i'm the opposite. the better i'm running/playing the easier i can talk myself into a fold here.

[DpR]

I do not think him knowing you have ace high is, by itself, reason to just fold. He certainly has to know you will SD ace high here, so its not like he can say Im betting no matter what casue he has no pair.

This is certainly an ugly spot, but I think you want to call the flop, then make some folds on bad turn cards (K or J) and call others - repeat on the river.