Another "What should my range be" question

[mikeJ]

Your profitable shoving range is a function of

1) How often he's bet/folding

and

2) His bet/calling range

Beyond that it's just a math problem. So are you asking what 1) & 2) are?

If you have something like a gutshot, which will usually have like 18% equity vs. most calling ranges, you're going to need less than a 50% fold rate for the shove to be profitable.

x(8000+8000+1800+500+9500) + (1-x)((.82-.18)(-32000)+(.18)(18300)) = 0

x = .382, 38.2%

Of course, if he's capable of calling w/ 33 type stuff, your equity vs. his calling range goes up, but your fold rate goes down.

[NoahSD]

I don't really hate doing this with any two you opened with. Maybe not against Phil Laak tho--dunno there.

[FGators]

I would do this with 86,98,etc. Leave yourself a few outs but, yeah, the ace on the flop is definitely the right situation for this creativity.

[psyduck]

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Do 20 pushups than go allin with any 2.

Other option is reverse tell of putting in 40k with any 2 cards and then calling floor because you thought it was only 10k and the chips looked the same to you and you meant to call and get into heated debate about it for maybe 15 minutes begging to take it back and then show bluff when he folds.

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amazing post.

I like the way you played this hand thoy3r

[Pudge714]

A pretty wide range any spades, any straight draw, A lot of pairs although with some pairs i.e kk-88 i could see myself calling some of the time same with Ax.

This play is ok but don't do it on every flop obviously.

[Nicok7]

I have never seen vilain play, but I think he could call you with any ace if he is good.

Would you play AK the same way (aka what will vilain think). If you would your move is good, if you wouldn't you should give up often or float if you have a decent draw... 98 is prob spew

For me it wouldn't work because I flat call AK most of the time given the stack size and action.

[EC10]

i think that having <8 outs here is spew.

what would you do here with say, ATo? or is that hand too "strong" for your range since you did say you called just so you could shove over any cbet.

[THEOSU]

i certainly like to have a few outs, even if it's a gutty + backdoors.

i am pretty sure, by reputation, that laak is capable of making a big fold if necessary. that's why i think pushing is a fine play with a variety of hands. however, i'm not real sure of what to do with hands like AT or A8 here. of course, with A8, i think it's a pretty easy fold preflop, where as other hands like 68 i'd be more willing to call the reraise.

in laak's shoes, your bet should signify one of two things: i have a big hand or i have a draw. so depending on his hand (which we can probably peg as a AJ, TT type) he's either way behind (you have AK, 55) or he's decently ahead (you have 68, JTss). If Laak thinks you're capable of running a pure bluff, that should certainly make him more likely to call with the AJ types of hands.

i think if your image is that of aggressive but you've always shown hands, then i think this play will work more than if you've been aggressive but have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, especially as you are an unknown and this is all the information laak will have on you.

meh, the more I think about it, the more I think if he has AJ or similar then he's got to call here, because if you had a big ace then you'd almost certainly have 4banged it preflop. the play can still work, but you're going to need outs as backup.

[cking]

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Your profitable shoving range is a function of

1) How often he's bet/folding

and

2) His bet/calling range

Beyond that it's just a math problem. So are you asking what 1) & 2) are?

If you have something like a gutshot, which will usually have like 18% equity vs. most calling ranges, you're going to need less than a 50% fold rate for the shove to be profitable.

x(8000+8000+1800+500+9500) + (1-x)((.82-.18)(-32000)+(.18)(18300)) = 0

x = .382, 38.2%

Of course, if he's capable of calling w/ 33 type stuff, your equity vs. his calling range goes up, but your fold rate goes down.

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