questions about hoss' style - Page 2

Schneids · #11 05-29-2007, 04:38 AM

The TLDR version of my post above is he is not afraid to build big pots.

siegfriedandroy · #12 05-29-2007, 04:59 AM

tldr?? id really be curious to hear his thought process on each of those hands - to me (obviously) it just looks hella spewy. btw, why were you playing in a game w/ hoss and pokkermon!? was the other player fishy?

sweetjazz · #13 05-29-2007, 05:00 AM

Hoss' Theorem?: The more you refuse to fold, the more people will make multistreet bets to try to get you to fold?

Schneids · #14 05-29-2007, 05:02 AM

a few more.

i'm sure hoss would probably admit he played some of these hands i've posted poorly, but this is just to give an idea of what he is willing to showdown at times. i'm not going to deny i've done some selection bias and tried to find miserable hands, which i'm sure people could do of me as well.

POKERSTARS GAME #7348975506: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2006/12/08 - 02:08:06 (ET)
Table 'Toutatis V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: goatboy1 ($17921 in chips)
Seat 2: piejay ($14331 in chips)
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks ($23132 in chips)
Seat 4: jumper17 ($10362 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($8060 in chips)
Seat 6: aznvixn ($7785 in chips)
PapaWarbucks: posts small blind $100
jumper17: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [7c Ac]
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
aznvixn: folds
goatboy1: calls $400
piejay: folds
PapaWarbucks: calls $300
jumper17: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3s 7h]
PapaWarbucks: checks
jumper17: checks
Hoss_TBF: bets $200
goatboy1: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $400
jumper17: raises $200 to $600
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
PapaWarbucks: calls $200
*** TURN *** [Ah 3s 7h] [Kd]
PapaWarbucks: checks
jumper17: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $400 to $800
jumper17: folds
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Ah 3s 7h Kd] [9d]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [7c Ac] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $6195 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6200 | Rake $5
Board [Ah 3s 7h Kd 9d]
Seat 1: goatboy1 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: piejay (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks (small blind) showed [7c Ac] and won ($6195) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 4: jumper17 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF mucked [9h 8h]
Seat 6: aznvixn folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #7509097680: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2006/12/19 - 04:17:07 (ET)
Table 'Eunike' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: patrikskjold ($9108 in chips)
Seat 2: AlexSem ($17997 in chips)
Seat 3: cktn7 ($23111 in chips)
Seat 4: PapaWarbucks ($18500 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($12244 in chips)
Seat 6: JMSig ($9740 in chips)
JMSig: posts small blind $100
patrikskjold: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [7s 7h]
AlexSem: folds
cktn7: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $400
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $600
JMSig: folds
patrikskjold: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $800
Betting is capped
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [8h Ac 3h]
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** TURN *** [8h Ac 3h] [3d]
PapaWarbucks: checks
Hoss_TBF: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h Ac 3h 3d] [5c]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [7s 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $3095 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3100 | Rake $5
Board [8h Ac 3h 3d 5c]
Seat 1: patrikskjold (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: AlexSem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: cktn7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PapaWarbucks showed [7s 7h] and won ($3095) with two pair, Sevens and Threes
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF (button) mucked [Kd 9d]
Seat 6: JMSig (small blind) folded before Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #7522366607: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2006/12/20 - 02:03:00 (ET)
Table 'Agamemnon' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cktn7 ($10880 in chips)
Seat 2: somewhrntime ($10790 in chips)
Seat 3: Hoss_TBF ($7495 in chips)
Seat 4: PapaWarbucks ($28195 in chips)
Seat 5: gherick ($10921 in chips)
Seat 6: Renaud ($7520 in chips)
PapaWarbucks: posts small blind $100
gherick: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [9c 9s]
Renaud: folds
cktn7: folds
somewhrntime: folds
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
gherick: folds
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [2h 5c 3h]
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** TURN *** [2h 5c 3h] [3s]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [2h 5c 3h 3s] [Ac]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [9c 9s] (two pair, Nines and Threes)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $3395 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3400 | Rake $5
Board [2h 5c 3h 3s Ac]
Seat 1: cktn7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: somewhrntime folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Hoss_TBF (button) mucked [9d Kh]
Seat 4: PapaWarbucks (small blind) showed [9c 9s] and won ($3395) with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 5: gherick (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Renaud folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #9107127824: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2007/03/26 - 22:02:55 (ET)
Table 'McVittie' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: AlexSem ($3790 in chips)
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks ($24940 in chips)
Seat 4: pokkermon ($11483 in chips)
Seat 5: ilovemeowmix ($13986 in chips)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF ($38152 in chips)
pokkermon: posts small blind $100
ilovemeowmix: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [Ac Jc]
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
AlexSem: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
pokkermon: folds
ilovemeowmix: folds
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [5d 3h 2c]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** TURN *** [5d 3h 2c] [7s]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [5d 3h 2c 7s] [4h]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [Ac Jc] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $3495 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3500 | Rake $5
Board [5d 3h 2c 7s 4h]
Seat 2: AlexSem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks (button) showed [Ac Jc] and won ($3495) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 4: pokkermon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: ilovemeowmix (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF mucked [Kc Qs]

POKERSTARS GAME #7981471955: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2007/01/17 - 04:09:22 (ET)
Table 'Attica III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: tibster ($9675 in chips)
Seat 2: FoxyPlayer ($7998 in chips)
Seat 4: Ian J ($11149 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($20696 in chips)
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks ($21065 in chips)
sacker will be allowed to play after the button
Ian J: posts small blind $100
Hoss_TBF: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [As 2s]
sacker is sitting out
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $400
tibster: folds
FoxyPlayer: folds
Ian J: folds
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [8s Ts Js]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** TURN *** [8s Ts Js] [3h]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [8s Ts Js 3h] [3s]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: raises $400 to $800
PapaWarbucks: raises $400 to $1200
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [As 2s] (a flush, Ace high)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $5295 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5300 | Rake $5
Board [8s Ts Js 3h 3s]
Seat 1: tibster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FoxyPlayer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Ian J (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF (big blind) mucked [5h Ks]
Seat 6: PapaWarbucks showed [As 2s] and won ($5295) with a flush, Ace high

POKERSTARS GAME #7508559844: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2006/12/19 - 02:42:14 (ET)
Table 'Vera' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks ($28128 in chips)
Seat 3: cktn7 ($26717 in chips)
Seat 4: 62offsuit ($8671 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($15823 in chips)
Hoss_TBF: posts small blind $100
PapaWarbucks: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [As Ac]
cktn7: folds
62offsuit: folds
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9h 8h]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
PapaWarbucks: calls $200
*** TURN *** [Ad 9h 8h] [Qd]
Hoss_TBF: bets $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $400 to $800
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Ad 9h 8h Qd] [Kd]
Hoss_TBF: checks
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $4395 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4400 | Rake $5
Board [Ad 9h 8h Qd Kd]
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks (big blind) showed [As Ac] and won ($4395) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: cktn7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 62offsuit (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF (small blind) mucked [Jc Qc]

POKERSTARS GAME #7508900457: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2006/12/19 - 03:37:07 (ET)
Table 'Vera' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AlexSem ($7095 in chips)
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks ($28621 in chips)
Seat 3: cktn7 ($21124 in chips)
Seat 4: Juice It Up ($22320 in chips)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF ($7100 in chips)
Seat 6: JMSig ($12570 in chips)
PapaWarbucks: posts small blind $100
cktn7: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [Td Qc]
Juice It Up: folds
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
JMSig: folds
AlexSem: folds
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
cktn7: calls $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [8s Qh 4s]
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
cktn7: raises $200 to $400
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $600
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $800
Betting is capped
cktn7: folds
Hoss_TBF: calls $200
*** TURN *** [8s Qh 4s] [Tc]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [8s Qh 4s Tc] [8c]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
Hoss_TBF: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [Td Qc] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Hoss_TBF: mucks hand
PapaWarbucks collected $5395 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5400 | Rake $5
Board [8s Qh 4s Tc 8c]
Seat 1: AlexSem (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks (small blind) showed [Td Qc] and won ($5395) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 3: cktn7 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Juice It Up folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hoss_TBF mucked [Js Jh]
Seat 6: JMSig folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #9107036385: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($200/$400) - 2007/03/26 - 21:57:28 (ET)
Table 'McVittie' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: AlexSem ($4600 in chips)
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks ($21955 in chips)
Seat 4: pokkermon ($12988 in chips)
Seat 5: ilovemeowmix ($13606 in chips)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF ($39262 in chips)
Hoss_TBF: posts small blind $100
AlexSem: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PapaWarbucks [6d 2c]
PapaWarbucks: folds
pokkermon: folds
ilovemeowmix: folds
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $400
AlexSem: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [9c 5d 7d]
Hoss_TBF: bets $200
AlexSem: raises $200 to $400
Hoss_TBF: raises $200 to $600
AlexSem: calls $200
*** TURN *** [9c 5d 7d] [Ks]
Hoss_TBF: bets $400
AlexSem: raises $400 to $800
Hoss_TBF: raises $400 to $1200
AlexSem: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [9c 5d 7d Ks] [4s]
Hoss_TBF: bets $400
AlexSem: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hoss_TBF: shows [Jd Td] (high card King)
AlexSem: shows [5c 9s] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
AlexSem collected $5195 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5200 | Rake $5
Board [9c 5d 7d Ks 4s]
Seat 2: AlexSem (big blind) showed [5c 9s] and won ($5195) with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 3: PapaWarbucks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pokkermon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ilovemeowmix (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hoss_TBF (small blind) showed [Jd Td] and lost with high card King

Victor · #15 05-29-2007, 05:03 AM

"what is the best way for nits like me (around 35ish) to profitably increase wtsd?"

find a way to track hand ranges and instantaneously calculate youre equity vs them.

siegfriedandroy · #16 05-29-2007, 05:15 AM

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"what is the best way for nits like me (around 35ish) to profitably increase wtsd?"

find a way to track hand ranges and instantaneously calculate youre equity vs them.

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how do i do this!? (and when is our next chess match??)

PartyGirlUK · #17 05-29-2007, 09:54 AM

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Even true SD monkey's dont SD 46%, and 50 is spew. I'll have to check my DB...

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Jakz is about 48.

dangerfish · #18 05-29-2007, 11:08 AM

Lot of focus on calling down. Bluffing or value betting super thin and getting looked up is going to change your wtsd dramatically.

danzasmack · #19 05-29-2007, 11:16 AM

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Lot of focus on calling down.

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I just read the hands schneids posted and it seems there is calling on the river and elsewhere there is raising.

kahntrutahn · #20 05-29-2007, 01:58 PM

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Even true SD monkey's dont SD 46%, and 50 is spew. I'll have to check my DB...

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Jakz is about 48.

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And he's a losing fish at every single site I've ever played him at insofar as LHE goes (I wouldnt [censored] with him at o8). What is your point?