200NL - KK preflop faces 4 bet???

[ikestoys]

yeah sorry orange, i'll be nicer next time

[Back In Black]

I don't think I'm getting the leveling from Ike. This is a very strange spot... Are you saying to 5-bet and fold to a shove? That seems semi-retarded.

[shpanko]

Ike is leveling you. He's hinting at the fact that you should never fold KK pf for less than a few hundred BB's.

If you're really worried about AA you are getting odds to set mine with your KK (lol) so you could call and hope to spike a king. Still I'm usually 5-betting here against these idiots.

[Melchiades]

Never folding seems a bit over the top. I 5-bet this all day every day, but if button min 6-bets and SB pushes behind me I might just get away from it.

[gimmetheloot]

you guys are smoking big ass rocks. Jesus. repot and call a shove? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

get real.

If you reraise to w/e, it def should be with the intention of folding to a shove. If one of these guys shoves over a 5bet 150+BB deep, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE HAS AYHCYAHCYHCYAHCYAHCAYHCAYCHAYCHA.

If I reraise and get called im checking every single flop that isnt K high.

[shpanko]

then wouldn't 5-betting become a bluff then? If I'm 5-betting it's for value. And yeah I've seen people min 3 and 4 bet with very weak holdings and stack off with much less than KK. I guess since we're deep we could get away from the hand if we raised to 65 and someone pushes, even then these guys are really donkish so it's still be a tough fold.

I mean can we really just call pf for a bet of $20 to go?

[ikestoys]

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you guys are smoking big ass rocks. Jesus. repot and call a shove? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

get real.

If you reraise to w/e, it def should be with the intention of folding to a shove. If one of these guys shoves over a 5bet 150+BB deep, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE HAS AYHCYAHCYHCYAHCYAHCAYHCAYCHAYCHA.

If I reraise and get called im checking every single flop that isnt K high.

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lolol

[Melchiades]

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then wouldn't 5-betting become a bluff then?

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No. They will not always push or fold. Also if only one of them pushes I am calling.

To the people thinking the idea of ever folding KK here to any kind of action is hilarious, do you play much 200NL now? Folding KK preflop is probably more reasonable at 200NL than 400/600NL. It plays much less aggro preflop. Maybe the games at FT is different, but Party 200NL is really passive preflop.

This obviously changes if villain is fishy or lagtarded. But regular TAG'ish 200NL players will have KK+ very often once 150BB's goes in preflop.

[chaide]

we need a pf table or something like this...

[Back In Black]

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we need a pf table or something like this...

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