55 dollar HU HH on stars

[jayluf]

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PokerStars Game #10084106985: Tournament #51111974, $55.00+$2.50
Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/24 - 15:25:31
(ET)
Table '51111974 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cROUNDER33 (1365 in chips)
Seat 2: markpal (1635 in chips)
cROUNDER33: posts small blind 75
markpal: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cROUNDER33 [Tc 9c]
cROUNDER33: calls 75
markpal: checks
*** FLOP *** [8s As 8d]
markpal: checks
cROUNDER33: checks
*** TURN *** [8s As 8d] [Qs]
markpal: checks
cROUNDER33: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s As 8d Qs] [2s]
markpal: checks
cROUNDER33: bets 300
markpal: calls 300
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cROUNDER33: shows [Tc 9c] (a pair of Eights)
markpal: shows [4s 5c] (a flush, Ace high)
markpal collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board [8s As 8d Qs 2s]
Seat 1: cROUNDER33 (button) (small blind) showed [Tc 9c] and lost with
a pair of Eights
Seat 2: markpal (big blind) showed [4s 5c] and won (900) with a flush,
Ace high

I'll comment on this hand. The reason your river bet was called is because usually, this pot size bet will either signify the Ks/Qs looking for a call on the river by a marginal J/10/9s or maybe a misplayed 8. Most of the time though when i see a check-bet on the river when there's a 4 flush and the hand has been played this passively- mind you at a higher blind level (25/50+), id lay its a complete bluff at least 75% of the time. So the river bet here is -EV. I'd call you with any pair, let alone a low spade. Rather, how about putting a 200 bet out on the turn. You're now showing some strength and aggression here, and the villain will either raise or fold. So you're +EV on a turn bet here, and completely -EV on this pot river bet.

[TNixon]

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Most of the time though when i see a check-bet on the river when there's a 4 flush and the hand has been played this passively- mind you at a higher blind level (25/50+), id lay its a complete bluff at least 75% of the time.

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What level do you play? I've definitely noticed this at $20 and lower (to be honest, it shocked me to find out how often people bluff at a 4 flush board. It doesn't really seem like a good bluffing spot to me, since it's so likely they'll have at least one of the suit, and call with many of them), but I'm wondering if it holds true at higher levels.

Also, most people with a big spade are going to bet the draw on the turn, aren't they? Making it that much harder for the out-of-the blue river bet to be convincing?

[mbillie1]

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way tl;dr!

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