OT: LOL P5s - Page 2

cha59 · #11 05-21-2007, 11:44 PM

I stopped reading after almost choking on my beer while reading the first hand.

blackize · #12 05-21-2007, 11:44 PM

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PokerStars Game #9612070473: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:17:01 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2415 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1930 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3380 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (2205 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 100
Weir: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [2s 9c]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 2005 to 2205 and is all-in
An open push here in MP is probably a big and vulnerable hand.
PunkinBear: folds
I can't see calling without QQ+ as ICM is starting to become a small factor.
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
DABIGFISH collected 500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH collected (500)

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LMAO! She knows what ICM is, but thinks that it doesn't apply before this point and currently is only "a small factor"?

ManChild · #13 05-21-2007, 11:45 PM

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I stopped reading after almost choking on my beer while reading the first hand.

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what kinda beer

Pudge714 · #14 05-22-2007, 12:55 AM

A random pocketfiver posted this HH on the thread. http://www.pocketfives.com/0DBF774F-...7645FCF20.aspx It is really hilarious I decided to tear it up. Note I only commented on the most egregious mistakes and was too bored/frustrated to give a full account of why pretty much everything she says is wrong. My comments are in bold. This is X-posted from my blog because the Ubb software is much easier to bold stuff with.
*********** # 1 **************

PokerStars Game #9611852774: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I

(10/20) - 2007/04/26 - 01:51:44 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1500 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 10
Weir: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [8s 9c]
aatigers: folds
NIROG: raises 60 to 80
A 4xBB early position raise is usually a solid hand.
Not really people are stupid that is why poker is easy to make money at. ,
I'll range him AK, TT+ to be safe.
To be safe? Does that mean you think he is opening tighter than that? Do you really think an unknown in this type of SNG fold Ace Queen or 99?
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: folds
PunkinBear: folds
Therefore, from this spot I would only consider playing QQ+ for a reraise, folding AK and calling with smaller pairs (22-JJ) for the purposes of set mining.
You feel JJ is a set mining hand, but QQ is a reraise? One hand reraise get all in another call check fold as an overpair? I also think calling with 22 here is really bad you are 75bbs deep these chips are valuable there is very little overlay in the pot. I play AK like a giant nit and I would never ever ever fold here.,
GolfManic: calls 70
Weir: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Qc 3c]
GolfManic: checks
NIROG: checks
*** TURN *** [7c Qc 3c] [Qs]
GolfManic: checks
NIROG: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c Qc 3c Qs] [7s]
GolfManic: checks
NIROG: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GolfManic: shows [9h Ah] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
NIROG: mucks hand
GolfManic collected 180 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 180 | Rake 0
Board [7c Qc 3c Qs 7s]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) showed [9h Ah] and won (180) with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 5: NIROG mucked [Jd 9d]
We now know that NIROG is capable of making an early position raise for deception purposes.
We know he think JACK and NINE and SOOTED RAISE
and doesn't automatically continue bet, so respecting his postflop bets is a must.
Except for the fact that he probably massively overvalues hands so he will think top pair all in
In addition, we can label GolfManic as a loose caller, early on, also passive postflop, as he never took a stab at it. Both of these players literally sent invitations to each other to steal this pot.
You don’t know what the word literally means do you?

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PokerStars Game #9611862468: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/26 - 01:52:48 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1600 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1500 in chips)
Weir: posts small blind 10
aatigers: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [3d 4h]
NIROG: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: calls 20
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: calls 20
PunkinBear: calls 20
I'm calling in position for speculative value, as the blinds are extremely small, there are a few limpers that may come along for the ride if I hit, and my hand is deceptive.
You have 75bbs and 43o unless you have a soul reader or pattern mapper this limp is never profitable
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Qd 4d]
aatigers: checks
xyz888: checks
Cards828587: checks
PunkinBear: bets 45
With the pot being 90, my bet has to succeed merely one-third of the time to be profitable. The fear of me having a queen should be enough to drive most away.
Average 55 donks thought process: “a half pot bet on a two tone board it is three of a kind. That being said after preflop this bet is fine although I think 60 is a much better bet
aatigers: folds
xyz888: folds
Cards828587: folds
PunkinBear collected 90 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 90 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Qd 4d]
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (90)
Seat 2: GolfManic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: NIROG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 folded on the Flop

*********** # 3 **************
PokerStars Game #9611868864: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/26 - 01:53:31 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1600 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1420 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1480 in chips)
aatigers: posts small blind 10
NIROG: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [6d 5s]
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: folds
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: calls 20
Weir: raises 60 to 80
aatigers: folds
NIROG: folds
GolfManic: folds
I'm surprised he folded here after calling with A9 on the first hand.
A9s is a pretty decent hand he could easily have 72o here. This shouldn’t be that surprising
Weir collected 70 from pot
Weir: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 70 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (button) collected (70)
Seat 4: aatigers (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: NIROG (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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PokerStars Game #9611875185: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/26 - 01:54:12 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1400 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1480 in chips)
NIROG: posts small blind 10
MildSeven519: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Js 4h]
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: raises 40 to 60
This is his first raise and it's in early position, so I'll credit him for AQ+, 99+.
People aren’t good at poker, why are you giving them credit
PunkinBear: folds
Given that info, I'll reraise AK, QQ+ here.
You fold AK to a 4x raise and three bet to a 3x raise. Nice.
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
NIROG: folds
MildSeven519: folds
Cards828587 collected 50 from pot
Cards828587: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 50 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NIROG (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 collected (50)

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PokerStars Game #9611884054: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/26 - 01:55:11 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1480 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1510 in chips)
MildSeven519: posts small blind 10
xyz888: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [8c As]
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: folds
PunkinBear: folds
Though my hand is possibly best, I need a better ace to play from this spot for a raise. A10+, 88+ to raise here for me.
It is mathematically unlikely you will have the best hand here. Doing quick calcs it is about 35% that you will have the best hand ,
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
NIROG: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888 collected 20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NIROG (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: xyz888 (big blind) collected (20)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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PokerStars Game #9611898973: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 01:56:52 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1570 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1390 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (1630 in chips)
Cards828587: posts small blind 15
PunkinBear: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [9s As]
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: raises 60 to 90
NIROG: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: calls 75
PunkinBear: calls 60
I dislike my hand, but it's good odds to call, and my intent is to flop a 2p+ hand to continue hard. The implied odds are potentially enormous.
Earlier Golfmanic called a similar raise and you labeled him a loose preflop caller. I’m pretty sure if you are calling for 2pair, three of a kind and flushes this call is –EV,
*** FLOP *** [5d Td 8d]
Cards828587: checks
PunkinBear: checks
I cannot attack this flop, the risks are too great. Check/fold.
aatigers: bets 300
Cards828587: calls 300
PunkinBear: folds
*** TURN *** [5d Td 8d] [4h]
Cards828587: checks
aatigers: bets 1080 and is all-in
Cards828587: calls 1080
*** RIVER *** [5d Td 8d 4h] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cards828587: shows [Tc 9c] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
We now know that Cards is willing to call for the purpose of speculation.
Which is what you just did
aatigers: shows [Jd Jc] (a flush, Jack high)
aatigers collected 3030 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3030 | Rake 0
Board [5d Td 8d 4h 4d]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers showed [Jd Jc] and won (3030) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 5: NIROG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (small blind) showed [Tc 9c] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours

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PokerStars Game #9611910205: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 01:58:08 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (3030 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1390 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (160 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 15
GolfManic: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Qs 4h]
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
NIROG: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: calls 30
PunkinBear: calls 15
I wouldn't make this call if the blinds were ANY higher. The implied odds make it worth it.
The great implied odds of Q4o you can flop top pair and maybe bottom pair as well
GolfManic: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Kc 3d]
PunkinBear: bets 80
Betting here to get a firm grasp of where I am at in the hand, and to protect my vulnerable hand that is probably currently best.
GolfManic: folds
Cards828587: calls 80
Possibly diamonds or a midpair.
Or a King or 56 or A4 or etc.
*** TURN *** [4d Kc 3d] [4s]
PunkinBear: checks
In retrospect, I think I should have bet here. My hand was still vulnerable to a flush draw, and this bet gave him a free card at an inopportune time. I like a 2/3 pot bet.
Cards828587: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d Kc 3d 4s] [Qd]
I think it's quite possible that he hit a flush, based on his previous actions in the hand.
PunkinBear: bets 1370 and is all-in
Cards' stack is small and I want it to look like I am "scaring him out", while devaluing my all-in at the table.
I love the check turn overbet shove river. When bet shove is a million times better
Cards828587: folds
PunkinBear collected 250 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 250 | Rake 0
Board [4d Kc 3d 4s Qd]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) collected (250)
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NIROG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (button) folded on the River

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PokerStars Game #9611916799: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/26 - 01:58:53 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1620 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1550 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1520 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (3030 in chips)
Seat 5: NIROG (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1390 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1470 in chips)
Seat 9: Cards828587 (50 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 15
Weir: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [6d 9d]
aatigers: folds
NIROG: calls 30
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
Cards828587: calls 30
PunkinBear: folds
A call would have been reasonable here, but I prefer entering these situations with 10-20 blinds, or one more limper.
If reasonable equals terrible I agree
GolfManic: raises 60 to 90
With two limpers, this is a poor raise. I suggest a minimum of 5xBB here, as he is just asking to be outdrawn if he has a monster.
Weir: folds
NIROG: calls 60
Cards828587: calls 20 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Th 7d 5h]
GolfManic: bets 120
NIROG: raises 1180 to 1300 and is all-in
This is ill-advised with KJh as the preflop raiser should be creditted with a real hand.
This is the same guy you gave an UTG raising range of AK TT+
GolfManic: calls 1180
*** TURN *** [Th 7d 5h] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Th 7d 5h 2s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GolfManic: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
NIROG: shows [Jh Kh] (a pair of Sevens)
GolfManic collected 2680 from side pot
Cards828587: shows [Ad 6h] (a pair of Sevens)
GolfManic collected 180 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2860 Main pot 180. Side pot 2680. | Rake 0
Board [Th 7d 5h 2s 7s]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) showed [Ks Kd] and won (2860) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NIROG showed [Jh Kh] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Cards828587 showed [Ad 6h] and lost with a pair of Sevens

*********** # 15 **************
PokerStars Game #9611950351: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/26 - 02:02:44 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1665 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3020 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1405 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1440 in chips)
DABIGFISH: posts small blind 25
PunkinBear: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [2c 6h]
GolfManic: raises 100 to 150
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: calls 125
PunkinBear: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qs 8d]
DABIGFISH: checks
GolfManic: checks
*** TURN *** [Kh Qs 8d] [3d]
DABIGFISH: checks
Dear GolfManic:
Please steal this pot here on the turn or on the river. I would rather fold.
Love, DABIGFISH
Perhaps he is checking because he has showdown value
GolfManic: checks
Dear DABIGFISH:
Please steal this pot on the river. I would rather fold.
Love, GolfManic.
Perhaps he is checking because he has showdown value

*** RIVER *** [Kh Qs 8d 3d] [3h]
DABIGFISH: checks
GolfManic: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DABIGFISH: shows [7d 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Threes)
GolfManic: shows [Jh Js] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
We get further confirmation that Golf's future postflop bets signify he has something.
GolfManic collected 350 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 350 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Qs 8d 3d 3h]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic showed [Jh Js] and won (350) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (small blind) showed [7d 7c] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Threes

*********** # 16 **************
PokerStars Game #9611957068: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/26 - 02:03:30 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1615 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3220 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1405 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1290 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 25
GolfManic: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [7c Qs]
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: raises 50 to 100
I'm not a minraise aficianado, and I read that he has a monster or a good, but vulnerable starting hand.
A monster or a good, but vulnerable hand what a narrow range
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
xyz888 collected 125 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 125 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 collected (125)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 20 **************
PokerStars Game #9611972892: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/26 - 02:05:21 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1665 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3345 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1400 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2845 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1355 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1600 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1290 in chips)
MildSeven519: posts small blind 25
xyz888: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [6d 7d]
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 100 to 150
This is a play designed to take advantage of a tight table image.
Those unknowns sure pay attention to the nitty table image you have been cultivating by limping 34o and overbetshoving the river
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: calls 150
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 8d Qd]
PunkinBear: bets 225
Standard continuation bet, hit or miss. The 2/3 pot bet only needs a 40% success rate to be profitable.
<i>Actually much less than that since you have equity when he calls and you can two barrel etc. [/b]
aatigers: folds
PunkinBear collected 375 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 8d Qd]
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (375)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: xyz888 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 24 **************
PokerStars Game #9611993801: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/04/26 - 02:07:48 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1740 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2845 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1875 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2695 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1330 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1675 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1340 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 50
Weir: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [6s Ac]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 200 to 300
Ace on button vs. tightish BB. This is a no-brainer with any two cards.
Than why does it matter that you have an Ace? I like this play because nobody will ever be able to adjust or exploit it
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
PunkinBear collected 250 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 250 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) collected (250)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 30 **************
PokerStars Game #9612019654: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/04/26 - 02:10:52 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1790 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3145 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2695 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1630 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (990 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 50
GolfManic: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [9c Jh]
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: calls 50
I dislike this hand out of position, but since GolfManic isn't very aggressive, I feel I can limp in successfully a good majority of the time.
Nice read
GolfManic: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Jc As]
PunkinBear: bets 130
This is a bet designed to see where I stand in the hand. Even though the board isn't draw heavy, with just second pair, I'd prefer to just win it right here.
Your hand is good about 90% of the time here. When he folds I am slightly unhappy since my hand is crushing his flop calling range
GolfManic: folds
PunkinBear collected 200 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 200 | Rake 0
Board [8h Jc As]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) collected (200)
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 31 **************
PokerStars Game #9612024509: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/04/26 - 02:11:27 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (1890 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3045 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1725 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2695 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1630 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (990 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 50
Weir: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Kh 6s]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 200 to 300
Raising a tight big blind here makes sense whenever it works this often. My cards don't matter so much. I'll continue to raise his BB as long as Weir isn't playing back.
It’s awesome that this is unexploitable and villain will never adjust
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
PunkinBear collected 250 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 250 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) collected (250)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 32 **************
PokerStars Game #9612028781: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:11:57 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2995 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1625 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2695 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1630 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (990 in chips)
Weir: posts small blind 75
aatigers: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Kd 4c]
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 300 to 450
Same as last hand. aatigers isn't too frisky.
Nice that you are using your nitty image well. If I wasn’t incredibly lazy I bet I could prove this raise is –EV
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
PunkinBear collected 375 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (375)
Seat 2: GolfManic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 37 **************
PokerStars Game #9612045992: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:14:01 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3220 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2245 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1855 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (765 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 75
GolfManic: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [6s Jc]
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 615 to 765 and is all-in
Though this is desperation with where the blinds are, DABIGFISH has played mostly good cards. I wouldn't be in a hurry to call this raise without a real hand.
<i>Nobody ever folds a pair or an ace here, most people don’t fold kings or remotely suited or connected hands [/b]
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
DABIGFISH collected 375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) collected (375)

*********** # 38 **************
PokerStars Game #9612049420: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:14:26 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2265 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (3070 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2245 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1855 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (990 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 75
Weir: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [7h 4h]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: folds
With two live cards, I most likely could have made yet another move at uber-tight Weir's BB. I think folding was a mistake.
You realize cards become dead or alive based on other peoples ranges. Unless you have a soul reader it is impossible to know your cards are live
GolfManic: folds
Weir collected 150 from pot
Weir: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) collected (150)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 39 **************
PokerStars Game #9612052589: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:14:49 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2265 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2995 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1625 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2245 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1855 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (990 in chips)
Weir: posts small blind 75
aatigers: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [4h 7s]
MildSeven519: folds
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 840 to 990 and is all-in
I'll put him on A10+, KQ, 88+ to be safe. Though the raiser could have much less, it's best to guess tight when you aren't sure, because guessing somebody's range too loose is costly, where guessing too tight is only marginally unprofitable.
OMG this is so bad. PEOPLE ARE BAD AT POKER THEY DON’T FOLD PAIRS OR ACES OR HANDS WHICH ARE SOOTED
PunkinBear: folds
Therefore I would move over DABIGFISH with AQ+, JJ+ here, folding AJ/TT or worse.
Against the range listed, which I have to state again is horribly wrong TT fairs better than AQ
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
DABIGFISH collected 375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH collected (375)

*********** # 40 **************
PokerStars Game #9612055161: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:15:08 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2265 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2995 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2095 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1855 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1215 in chips)
aatigers: posts small blind 75
MildSeven519: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [9d Kd]
xyz888: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 300 to 450
This raise is based on my hand strength for the most part, adding in that Mild hasn't been reraising.
I assume you are calling a shove because you raise is based on hand strength
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear collected 375 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (375)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: xyz888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 41 **************
PokerStars Game #9612058569: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:15:33 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2490 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2995 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (1705 in chips)
Seat 7: xyz888 (1525 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1215 in chips)
MildSeven519: posts small blind 75
xyz888: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [3d Ts]
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: raises 150 to 300
The minraise here is either a trap with a strong hand or a good holding that he doesn't want to commit all his chips with.
Again thanks for that great range.
xyz888: folds
MildSeven519 collected 300 from pot
MildSeven519: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (small blind) collected (300)
Seat 7: xyz888 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 43 **************
PokerStars Game #9612065340: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/26 - 02:16:23 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2490 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2995 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3380 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1065 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 75
GolfManic: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [3h 2c]
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 915 to 1065 and is all-in
This is a wider range of hands now that we see DABIGFISH has pushed a few times. He is doing a good job of preserving his fold equity.
Pushing wide = more fold equity
PunkinBear: folds
I would reraise with AJ+, KQ, 88+ here.
You think he is pushing really wide and you are folding hands like 77 here this is so bad. Giving him a range of 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs which is pretty tight. SNGPT says you shoud call 44+ A9+ A8s+
GolfManic: calls 915
Good call with 99 while invested in the BB.
*** FLOP *** [6h 8d Ah]
*** TURN *** [6h 8d Ah] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [6h 8d Ah Jc] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GolfManic: shows [9s 9h] (a pair of Nines)
DABIGFISH: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
Noted that the push was QQ, so it's still possible that DABIGFISH's button-raising range is tight.
No it means that he is pushing QQ.
DABIGFISH collected 2205 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2205 | Rake 0
Board [6h 8d Ah Jc 4c]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) showed [9s 9h] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) showed [Qh Qs] and won (2205) with a pair of Queens

*********** # 44 **************
PokerStars Game #9612070473: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:17:01 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2415 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1930 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1550 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3380 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (2205 in chips)
GolfManic: posts small blind 100
Weir: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [2s 9c]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 2005 to 2205 and is all-in
An open push here in MP is probably a big and vulnerable hand.
10bbs and a guy who was pushed a lot in the last couple hands of course he needs ot have a big hand here
PunkinBear: folds
I can't see calling without QQ+ as ICM is starting to become a small factor.
If he is shoving 66+ ATs+ AJo+, which is very tight folding JJ is the equivalent of throwing away $4.
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
DABIGFISH collected 500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH collected (500)

*********** # 45 **************
PokerStars Game #9612073265: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:17:22 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2415 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1830 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1350 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3380 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (2505 in chips)
Weir: posts small blind 100
aatigers: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [8h 5h]
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 2215 to 2415 and is all-in
All of the players left to act have been tight. Unless they have 99+ and call, I will not face domination. I'm about 35% against AK or AQ, which might not call anyway.
Do you play poker? Do you really think peoples calling ranges here are 99+ AQ? In order for this shove to be people need to be folding hand like ATs which nobody ever does. Not to mention this play is horribly exploitable if you continually do it
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
PunkinBear collected 500 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (500)
Seat 2: GolfManic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 46 **************
PokerStars Game #9612075512: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI
*********** # 48 **************
PokerStars Game #9612081400: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:18:22 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (2715 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2130 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3080 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (2305 in chips)
DABIGFISH: posts small blind 100
PunkinBear: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Kh Th]
GolfManic: folds
Weir: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: raises 400 to 600
PunkinBear: raises 2115 to 2715 and is all-in
I feel I am behind, but DABIGFISH has been shoving his very strong hands, so I think I can get him to fold here. I don't feel he will call with KQ or A10, so I am most likely not dominated.
Do you really think a raise from the SB is beating KTs? You realize you aren’t the only one who has realized that you can steal the blinds.
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear collected 1200 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (big blind) collected (1200)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 49 **************
PokerStars Game #9612085492: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:18:53 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (3315 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (2130 in chips)
Seat 3: Weir (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2020 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3080 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1705 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 100
GolfManic: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [8c 3c]
Weir: folds
aatigers: raises 200 to 400
Monster, or a semistrong hand that he doesn't want to commit with.
I range him AA, A2-A9, K10+, QJ+, 22-66 (note that 77-QQ and A10+ are missing from this range)
I assume you made a typo by omitting KK, but I find it funny you make arbitrary line omitting where villains think there hands are monsters or where they are semistrong and doesn’t want to commit with. Is 77 that much better than 66?
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
aatigers collected 500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Weir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers collected (500)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 51 **************
PokerStars Game #9612092799: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:19:47 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4565 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1830 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2320 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3080 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1705 in chips)
aatigers: posts small blind 100
MildSeven519: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [4d Ts]
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: raises 400 to 600
I'm raising any two as the chipleader because the second-place stack is in the BB and it would be foolish of him to challenge me without a monster.
This is false if you are raising any two also there is a button none as the call button he can use it to commit chips later. Folding a hand like AT or 77 here would be horrible by the bb.
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear collected 500 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear collected (500)
Seat 2: GolfManic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DABIGFISH folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 52 **************
PokerStars Game #9612094980: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:20:03 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4865 in chips)
*********** # 54 **************
PokerStars Game #9612104951: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:21:17 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4665 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1030 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (2220 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (4180 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (1405 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts small blind 100
GolfManic: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Ts 5d]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
DABIGFISH: folds
PunkinBear: folds
I don't dare raise into someone who just lost half their stack, even if he is tight as hell.
For this shove to be incredibly marginally –EV he needs to call with a range of 22+,A2+,K2+,Q4o+,Q2s+,J8o+,J5s+,T9o,T7s+,98s. Nice fold
GolfManic collected 200 from pot
GolfManic: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) collected (200)
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 57 **************
PokerStars Game #9612111572: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:22:07 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4540 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1005 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1895 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3955 in chips)
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (2105 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
DABIGFISH: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts small blind 100
DABIGFISH: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [8d 3c]
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: raises 3730 to 3930 and is all-in
A solid raise into the third-place stack. Mild's raise makes sense with any two cards.
DABIGFISH: calls 1880 and is all-in
Bad call. ICM says fold KJ even if Mild is pushing any two cards.
This is false. Running it through sngpt calling is +1.1 with KJo here. By folding you are costing yourself $5. Just for fun if villain is shoving 100% assuming you are taking every plus EV spot 44+,A4o+,A2s+,K9o+,K7s+,QTo+,Q9s+,JTs.
*** FLOP *** [9h Qc 8c]
*** TURN *** [9h Qc 8c] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [9h Qc 8c Ad] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MildSeven519: shows [6s 6c] (a pair of Sixes)
DABIGFISH: shows [Jh Kc] (high card Ace)
MildSeven519 collected 4285 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4285 | Rake 0
Board [9h Qc 8c Ad 5d]
Seat 1: PunkinBear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (small blind) showed [6s 6c] and won (4285) with a pair of Sixes
Seat 8: DABIGFISH (big blind) showed [Jh Kc] and lost with high card Ace

*********** # 58 **************
PokerStars Game #9612115149: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:22:34 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4515 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (980 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1870 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (6135 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
PunkinBear: posts small blind 100
GolfManic: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Td 6d]
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear: raises 4290 to 4490 and is all-in
I can shove here for three reasons:
- Mild is playing well and likely understands ICM, which means that he will be eating my BBs as long as the action is four-handed. Killing the shortstack would solve that problem before it occurs.
- Golf is tight and will fold too often.
- My hand is not likely to be dominated.
That explanation is really long and complicated. 5bbs, antes=dead money, Ten high and sooted is the nuts

GolfManic: folds
PunkinBear collected 500 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) collected (500)
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 59 **************
PokerStars Game #9612117803: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:22:54 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4790 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (755 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1845 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (6110 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts small blind 100
aatigers: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [2s 4c]
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear: raises 4565 to 4765 and is all-in
It's very unlikely that aatigers will risk cashing to make a call here. I would shove with a Barry Bonds rookie and a Draw Four. The fact that I actually have two cards is just a bonus.
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: folds
Even if aatigers knew I was shoving any two cards, he could only profitably call with JJ+, which he will receive 1 in 55 times.
SNGPT gives a range of 88+ or 99+ depending on min edge folding TT is burning money in the BB
***NOTE: LOW-LIMIT players... this is STILL a shove at the low-limits. Even though the calling ranges are looser there, the BB will still fold enough hands to warrant this push in most instances.***
PunkinBear collected 600 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) collected (600)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 61 **************
PokerStars Game #9612124519: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:23:44 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (4490 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (605 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1495 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (6910 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts small blind 100
PunkinBear: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [5c Ad]
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519: raises 6685 to 6885 and is all-in
This shove makes sense with any two cards. I can barely call with AA here.
This is the easiest call in the world with AA if you know villain is shoving any two folding AA you are losing $16, KK $10, QQ $6. JJ is a fold
PunkinBear: folds
MildSeven519 collected 500 from pot
MildSeven519: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: aatigers (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (small blind) collected (500)

*********** # 63 **************
PokerStars Game #9612131017: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:24:34 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (3685 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (1210 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1445 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (7160 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts small blind 100
aatigers: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [Ad Kc]
MildSeven519: raises 6935 to 7135 and is all-in
This is a pretty good push because the blinds will usually not want to risk not cashing.
PunkinBear: folds
I can only profitably call with AA here. My AKo is an easy fold due to ICM.
AK is an easy fold. By folding AA you are burning $16, KK $11, QQ $7, JJ 2.40. Isyou’re your definition of profitable in spots where I can only make $16 dollars or more?
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: folds
MildSeven519 collected 600 from pot
MildSeven519: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 collected (600)

*********** # 67 **************
PokerStars Game #9612139013: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:25:34 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (3285 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (810 in chips)
Seat 4: aatigers (1445 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (7960 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
aatigers: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts small blind 100
aatigers: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [3h 7s]
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear: raises 3060 to 3260 and is all-in
I shove because aatigers' calling range will not be very wide, as he won't risk cashing with many hands. Also, if he calls with overs, I am not dominated.
GolfManic: folds
aatigers: calls 1220 and is all-in
This is a horrid call, as ICM clearly shows that if I am shoving any two, he can only call with TT+ here. AK would be an easy fold.
According to SNGPT this call is marginally +EV. Your call range here should look something like 66+ AJo+ ATs+. Do you know how to perform ICM calcs? Are you as incompetent at math as you are at poker? Or are you just pulling these numbers out of your ass, at this point I am legitimately curious. Also you do realize that he can make –EV calls and you can make –EV pushes. It isn’t zero sum.
*** FLOP *** [3d 7d 3c]
*** TURN *** [3d 7d 3c] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [3d 7d 3c 9c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
aatigers: shows [Ac Js] (a pair of Threes)
PunkinBear: shows [3h 7s] (a full house, Threes full of Sevens)
PunkinBear collected 3040 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3040 | Rake 0
Board [3d 7d 3c 9c Qd]
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) showed [3h 7s] and won (3040) with a full house, Threes full of Sevens
Seat 2: GolfManic (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: aatigers (big blind) showed [Ac Js] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 6: MildSeven519 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

*********** # 69 **************
PokerStars Game #9612145513: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 02:26:24 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (9785 in chips)
Seat 2: GolfManic (660 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (3055 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
GolfManic: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
PunkinBear: posts small blind 100
GolfManic: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [7s Kh]
MildSeven519: raises 2830 to 3030 and is all-in
PunkinBear: folds
GolfManic: folds
Not sure what Golf is waiting for here. This call is academic with any two cards.
Call me crazy, but I think that a lot of poker player don’t play optimally, just a theory I have
MildSeven519 collected 575 from pot
MildSeven519: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 575 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: GolfManic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (button) collected (575)

*********** # 75 **************
PokerStars Game #9612155780: Tournament #48782338, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/04/26 - 02:27:43 (ET)
Table '48782338 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PunkinBear (10570 in chips)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (2930 in chips)
PunkinBear: posts the ante 25
MildSeven519: posts the ante 25
PunkinBear: posts small blind 200
MildSeven519: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PunkinBear [7h Ks]
PunkinBear: raises 10145 to 10545 and is all-in
Obvious push, as my hand is better than a random hand.
I love that logic.
MildSeven519: folds
PunkinBear collected 850 from pot
PunkinBear: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: PunkinBear (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 6: MildSeven519 (big blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 76 **************

adanthar · #15 05-22-2007, 01:25 AM

I am a little proud of myself for this tbqh

blackize · #16 05-22-2007, 02:28 AM

I think I might be banned from P5s now despite the fact that I was very civilized and only pointed out how small Jennifear's sample was.

tshort · #17 05-22-2007, 04:43 AM

"His post is full of holes. If he posted that here, I would tear that up. Unless, of course he brought it over here in a consrtuctive manner.

and LOL at my leaks being massive"

- Jennifera, at P5s

Pudge, thanks for posting this. It is always good to know the games will never dry out.

Hercules · #18 05-22-2007, 07:22 AM

Who is leveling who in this thread?

P5`s is not what i would call a goldmine in poker, but are they THAT bad????

WTF, or am i getting 343rd leveled?

Heavens_Myst · #19 05-22-2007, 10:27 AM

wow that bitch is annoying, especially all the smiley faces she uses.

darom03 · #20 05-22-2007, 11:49 AM

What strikes me at peculiar is that Jennifear have written this article for P5's

http://www.pocketfives.com/D91C4382-...4BECA917C.aspx