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Old 05-21-2007, 02:05 AM
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i 3bet here 100%. once i get here, gross spot, i guess crai.

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How do you interpret his bet size with relation to his stack?
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:08 AM
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i 3bet here 100%. once i get here, gross spot, i guess crai.

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How do you interpret his bet size with relation to his stack?

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i think it can be a pretty wide range, including big hands, AK-type hands, and stuff like 88 that's going to say "@#$%" and call the c/r.
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Old 05-21-2007, 07:07 AM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

Id 3bet here pf most of the time but calling is definitely a fine play. Now that we r here Id bet flop call shove
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Old 05-21-2007, 07:37 AM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

without a better read id usually just call pf. but reraising cant be too bad.
i guess i would lead this flop and call a shove then. c/f here feels strange...
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

the guy raised two limpers from earliesh position, he's shown a tendency to limp rather than raise, so we are probably behind his range. Reraising is just setting ourselves up to get owned when he has a bigger pair. Calling gives us a chance to hit a set against his bigger pairs and we can invest a bet postflop (the same money we spent reraising) to find out if we're good on rag flops.
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Old 05-21-2007, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

Does anyone think c/r or c/c(pretend he shoved) is better the b/c?
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Old 05-21-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

I 3 bet here pre 98% of the time, and this is probably one of those rare occasions that I would just call given his stats. This spot sucks and you are likely behind, but given how you got here c/ring all in is probably the best line.
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Old 05-21-2007, 04:39 PM
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LOL PF is fine. The guys played 15 hands. His stats are pretty much meaningless.

Looks like c/r the flop is the way to go.
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:09 PM
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Umm, guys, this is full ring. Reraising here is suicide.
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: This is why bad players just call pf

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the guy raised two limpers from earliesh position, he's shown a tendency to limp rather than raise, so we are probably behind his range. Reraising is just setting ourselves up to get owned when he has a bigger pair. Calling gives us a chance to hit a set against his bigger pairs and we can invest a bet postflop (the same money we spent reraising) to find out if we're good on rag flops.

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Did everyone miss the fact this is FR and not 6-max? I agree w/ soah here. FWIW I would much prefer this play with SCs or even trash. That way you won't stack yourself vs. QQ/KK when you get married to your hand.

As far as the actual hand goes, I can't say that it matters one way or another once you're there. His range is probably AK/AQ/AJ/JJ/QQ/KK/AA and some small % of the time a small pair. It's incredibly unlikely a random FR player will raise up some EP limpers and then call a RR from the blinds with total trash. That's even a generous range, but I didn't want it to be that tight.
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