QQ laydown with all unders on the flop

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I would not 3-bet the flop. I'm not ready to give up, but I'm pretty close to it, and if it were to come back capped to me, I'd let it go.

Other than the somewhat obvious fact that we might be drawing very slim, the other part about cold calling that I *don't* like is that it gives AK odds to draw, if that's what SB has.

I think that we're either way ahead or way behind BB, and if we keep the betting open on the flop, he will cap us when he's ahead, and we'll probably have to call that for one more bet. Cold calling here preserves the option to raise the turn if we decide to do that, which we might want to do if SB calls behind us on the flop and then checks to BB on the turn.

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What does 3-betting this flop accomplish for us? The more I think about it, the less I like 3-betting here, but I'm probably missing something.

[bozlax]

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nope, this is pretty bad

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This is the only response I've read, but given the way the advice on this forum has been running recently I think it's safe to say the rest of it will be the same.

While not the world's easiest fold, b-cubed, it is a good one. The problem is, with every bet that goes in you're more sure that you're drawing to 2 outs and the harder it is to fold. What do you do when it's two back to you on the flop? Has the fact that it was 3-bet and capped REALLY given you any more information than you have right now?

Hypothetical: if SB and BB had been MP1 and MP3 and raised and 3-bet preflop and you capped, then they lead and raise on this flop what do you do? If that's a good fold (which it is), then what's so bad about this one?

[bravos1]

this hand is fine... SB nor BB has slowed down..

this is essentially SB and BB 5 and 6 betting PF for all practical purposes.

[BigBadBabar]

the reason i do 3bet is so i can evaluate action and fold on the turn if need be, reasonably confident that it's a good fold. folding on the flop and then getting shown ak and tt or something is gross.

[Xhad]

I don't know if folding is right but I'm pretty sure it's better than 3betting. Even if their hands are TT/AK, AK has 10 outs against you and you're wandering into reverse implied odds territory.

[bravos1]

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the reason i do 3bet is so i can evaluate action and fold on the turn if need be, reasonably confident that it's a good fold. folding on the flop and then getting shown ak and tt or something is gross.

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3betting the flop and planning on a turn fold is UGLY!

[Xhad]

Yeah I think coldcalling actually gives you more information than a 3bet. Like if you 3bet and it gets capped a fold is absurd at this point as the pot is now 23-24SB, but now the raising war stops and you're looking at like 14:1 on a turn call and you end up calling down because "It's just one more bet." Whereas if you coldcall and it goes reraise/cap then you're only getting 24:2 and it becomes an absurdly easy fold.

[bozlax]

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the reason i do 3bet is so i can evaluate action and fold on the turn if need be

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Pardon me for being blunt, but what the hell does this mean? So you can "evaluate [teh] action"? So, SB caps and BB cold-calls, then what? You're going to fold the turn for two bets? What about 1 bet? What about on a turned jack? Haven't you learned yet to not raise for information?

[Buzz-cp]

I think it's OK to call the flop 2 and fold for 2 more, or see what kind of action the turn brings. Ppl suggesting we 3-bet here: they both can't have AK.