bottom set deep on draw heavy board - im lost

[RiverHebrew2]

I'd still call; drawy board+bottom set = SHOOOVE. I would guess he has aq with the size of his reraise; i like ur flop lead with these stacks sizes- it looks like a draw and will induce raise from AK and AQ IMO (live players r retards) lol

[soah]

The 5 minutes of tanking basically rules out AA as far as I'm concerned. People might "think" for 30 seconds, but I've never seen someone waste 5 minutes of everyone's time with the nuts. QQ is sorta the same, unless he really thinks you would play AA this way, and nothing else. Seems much more likely that he had a really tough decision, ie AQ.

[Big_Jim]

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i cant think of a good reason for leading here

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what check raise?? then what when he bets 400, i make it 1400 and he shoves, his hand is so much less defined then, i think leading is the only way to play this hand, i think in fact that checking is terrible

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Why do you want his hand range defined when you have a set?

[Jeffmet3]

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i cant think of a good reason for leading here

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what check raise?? then what when he bets 400, i make it 1400 and he shoves, his hand is so much less defined then, i think leading is the only way to play this hand, i think in fact that checking is terrible

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Why do you want his hand range defined when you have a set?

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sorry if this is a basic thought, but isn't the idea of leading 3-betting vs. check-raising two-fold?

1) if he checks behind this is a super drawy flop.

2) checkraising this type of a board looks much stronger than bet, 3-bet?

[Big_Jim]

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1) if he checks behind this is a super drawy flop.

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Very few opponents ever check behind on this flop with this action.

When they do, they usually playing for pot control, not trying to spike a spade/straight.

Most people automatically bet any draw after they three bet.

If he checks behind and plays back at you later, that's when you should start to worry about oversets.
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2) checkraising this type of a board looks much stronger than bet, 3-bet?

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Depends a great deal on your game, but for most people c/r looks a lot weaker.

B/3b tends to be big hands and big draws while c/r can be big hands and draws as well, but you're a lot more likely to c/r with weak semi-bluffs and pure air than you are to b/3b.

He might also put you hands like Ax trying to 'find out where you're at.'

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then what when he bets 400, i make it 1400 and he shoves, his hand is so much less defined then,

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Just think about what this statement really means.

Every extra hand that he has in this 'less defined range' adds to your equity. You'd much much much rather have absolutely no idea where you're at in the pot, while you happily slide your chips in, than be pretty sure where he's at, but in a tough spot.

In fact, I think b/3b/folding is terrible (absent some really sick reads).

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Every extra hand that he has in this 'less defined range' adds to your equity. You'd much much much rather have absolutely no idea where you're at in the pot, while you happily slide your chips in, than be pretty sure where he's at, but in a tough spot.

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I could not agree with this statement any less than i do. the thought of stacking off with less of an idea where you are when this deep seems to be absolutely retarded. i dont think my equity is improved greatly by him having an undefined hand, because his knowledge about my hand remains, that is he knows i have a huge hand. basically what you are saying is [censored] it, i have a set im stacking off i dont give a [censored] what he has lets do this, this deep there needs to be more thought into putting this many chips in the center, the more information the better decision you can make in the long run no?

[EC10]

this is a spot where you dont really need to think about his range, but rather just call all in with the 2nd nuts and ship it

[raptor517]

i get the money in here every time played like this. if this guy is hollywooding for 5 full minutes with the nuts, then when they call clock sticks it in and shoves it in my poop hole, hes getting stabbed on the way to the parking lot and im getting my money back anyways. this is a hand like AKss a TON here imo, i dont see how u can fold after sticking 1600 in there.

[Flatlanman3]

What i think is, you cannot make the reraise to $1600 if you dont intend to call this push, its just not a good play. If you are concered about the situation , you gotta smooth call the $300 raise and reevaluate on turn. As played I really cant see how you can call this

[Praetor]

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then when they call clock sticks it in and shoves it in my poop hole, hes getting stabbed on the way to the parking lot and im getting my money back anyways.

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LOL