FTP 5/10 with AA - Page 2

raptor517 · #11 05-11-2007, 07:53 PM

why cant he be floating the flop with a king? i dont fold here. if he has a T i chalk it up to a cooler and say NH.

good2cu · #12 05-11-2007, 08:14 PM

I'd fold. But then again I'd never be in this spot becaue I'd never check the turn and the river.

DMoogle · #13 05-11-2007, 08:15 PM

This really is an interesting hand. I think your image and history with villain is very important. How aggressive have you been this session? Do you squeeze often?

I'm really not sure I agree with a fold here. It already looks like you were squeezing with a less-than-stellar hand preflop, and with the turn and river check, you've really underrepresented your hand.

Most people's "natural instinct" for quads is to slowplay them, but I believe villain made a mistake by slowplaying them on this hand. If he thought you had a real hand, then he should have just raised the flop to try to win a big pot and avoid potential scare cards (e.g. he put you on JJ-KK and an overcard). If he thought that you really did have nothing, then he should know that you're probably giving up after the flop without improvement. If he thought that you have nothing (at best AK) and HE has nothing, then floating here is very bad. He should simply raise the flop to try to take it away.

I call this bet. Cooler if he's got it.

wpr101 · #14 05-11-2007, 09:09 PM

I cannot fold this.

whorasaurus · #15 05-11-2007, 09:24 PM

you should never check this hand at any point

gman06 · #16 05-12-2007, 12:06 AM

Turn check is fine, but I hate your river check. As played, I'm not folding. This is Kx a lot.

cumicon · #17 05-12-2007, 12:30 AM

I'm surprised so many people think he can have a king here. He is not the type to float the flop with AK. He might do it if the pot was heads up on the flop, but with UTG seeing the flop I think it's really unlikely. Even if he did float I really think he would make a smaller type of bet on the river to try to get me to pay off with QQ or JJ.

gman06 · #18 05-12-2007, 12:33 AM

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I'm surprised so many people think he can have a king here. He is not the type to float the flop with AK. He might do it if the pot was heads up on the flop, but with UTG seeing the flop I think it's really unlikely. Even if he did float I really think he would make a smaller type of bet on the river to try to get me to pay off with QQ or JJ.

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Your line looks like you can't call a river push. I think the times he is bluffing a made hand like 44 + the times he is VBing a worse hand make this a call

bet2win · #19 05-12-2007, 12:33 AM

lol no way i fold this he could easily have a low pair and think that you fold a non king a good %

even if he has a king he might shove

folding is terrible

TheJared · #20 05-12-2007, 12:37 AM

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I'm surprised so many people think he can have a king here. He is not the type to float the flop with AK. He might do it if the pot was heads up on the flop, but with UTG seeing the flop I think it's really unlikely. Even if he did float I really think he would make a smaller type of bet on the river to try to get me to pay off with QQ or JJ.

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Yeah I totally agree. There is no way this guy is showing up with AK. Why does everyone say this, not many players at this level are going to float this flop with AK.