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Old 05-10-2007, 05:14 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

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i'd push. you have reverse implied odds problems if you just call because you don't know if a heart makes your hand or kills you and it will often end your action if you're ahead. a 9 will also kill your action. stack sizes are perfect for a shove. you're rarely in bad shape and almost never in horrible shape.

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Disagree, don't really see the value of a push, especially if villian is not good. He could easily have pair+NFD, in which case you are in pretty bad shape. He could also have flush,set,two pair which he isn't folding, and he's in great shape against you with one, and better than a flip with the others. He raelly has to have a pretty sick calling range to make this a profitable push, or be bluffing a ton, which I really doubt hes doing too often in this situation.

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Board: Jd Td 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.020% 31.11% 00.91% 308 9.00 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 67.980% 67.07% 00.91% 664 9.00 { AdJc }

obviously not good, but not a disaster either. there's also not much reason to believe he has the Ah (i used diamonds in the pokerstove). if he doesn't, you're well ahead and folding is a bad mistake:

Board: Jd Td 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.727% 61.82% 00.91% 612 9.00 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 37.273% 36.36% 00.91% 360 9.00 { AhJs }
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

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unless you feel like pushing like schwza says I'd let it go.

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Pretty obvious push or fold spot.

Your implied odds suck ass, and your reverse implied odds could be quite bad.

I'd probably push because it's so much fun.

schwza,
Why not look at some ranges? Showing how we fare against one hand doesn't really tell us anything.
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:24 PM
RiverHebrew2 RiverHebrew2 is offline
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

I'd shove so button cant come over the top if you were to flatcall. You have two overs, gutshot, and pretty good flush draw so I'd take a gamble here. Calling is good a decent bit of the time, but not when theres another guy in the hand with position on u on a drawy board.
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Old 05-10-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

why has no one mentioned that the sb bet 1.4x pot
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Old 05-10-2007, 07:28 PM
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why has no one mentioned that the sb bet 1.4x pot

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Because he only bet 1.25x the pot.
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Old 05-10-2007, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

(hint: this is very important live as far as flush boards are concerned)
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Old 05-10-2007, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: flopped big draw against huge donkey live

oh when he told me the hand he said he raised to 20, i guess he put 25 pre on this post
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