Reactions to AC

[AlexM]

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It's a simple question of epistemological philosophy for me to try to find wholes in the theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_rationalism

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So you support giving us a place to try it out then? After all, that's the only way to subject AC to tests which may refute it.

[Nielsio]

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I think it is similarily arrogant by AC'ists to claim that "statists" do not have thought-through opinions on this subject. I think that to propose AC'ism in today's society and claim that it will be an improvement you need to lack life experience and insight into human psychology and mentality. Try to go somewhere where there isn't a "social contract" in place and then see if you manage to support AC afterwards. So you throw rocks in a glass house if you sort of claim that "statists" haven't thought it through.

However, I think AC'ists and statists talk past eachother many times, because some/most AC'ists sees AC as hopeless today but possible after a mentality change in the general population. And I have no problem in believing that given the mentality change it would be a success, I have created and managed many groups myself (especially when innovation was necessary) using a near-AC-philosopy and it has been very successful. But, I knew who would fit in and that most people definately would not. The mentality change is IMO never going to happen, it is so contrary to common human psychology, thus the foundation for AC is never going to be in place, thus it is a fantasy utopia.

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So you're actually an anarcho-capitalist. But still you think it's not going to happen because people cannot change their mindset towards it, even though you just admitted that you are one....???

[Dane S]

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I think that to propose AC'ism in today's society and claim that it will be an improvement you need to lack life experience and insight into human psychology and mentality.

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Observing people's behavior patterns when they are part of a socioeconomic system that offers a wide variety of behavioral incentives and disincentives, then calling these patterns "human nature" or "human psychology" is not an "insight". ACists don't claim people will act any differently than they do in the situations you have observed them in.

Put another way: you have no basis for distinguishing between which thought/behavior patterns are inherent and which are socially derived.

[Copernicus]

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It's a simple question of epistemological philosophy for me to try to find wholes in the theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_rationalism

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So you support giving us a place to try it out then? After all, that's the only way to subject AC to tests which may refute it.

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Giving you a place to try it out? Raise the capital and buy it. And if that capital needs to be raised from profits of some businesses, be sure not to use IP laws along the way..after all NDAs are <cough cough> just as effective.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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So you're actually an anarcho-capitalist. But still you think it's not going to happen because people cannot change their mindset towards it, even though you just admitted that you are one....???

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No, I wouldn't say I am an AC'ist. I don't support your view on property rights. I am very liberal wrt that people should be free to live as they want but not without taking responsibility for other people, the environment etc.. The mentality you preach is not containing much solidarity.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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Put another way: you have no basis for distinguishing between which thought/behavior patterns are inherent and which are socially derived.

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Honestly, I think I have. There are some things that seem to be present regardless of society.

[Dane S]

Where/when have you observed these things? Could you give some examples?

Philosophy, psychology, biology, sociology, and anthropology are all interested.

[loose passive]

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I think that to propose AC'ism in today's society and claim that it will be an improvement you need to lack life experience and insight into human psychology and mentality.

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This sums up exactly how I feel.

[BCPVP]

Didn't HMK major in psych?

[Nielsio]

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I think that to propose AC'ism in today's society and claim that it will be an improvement you need to lack life experience and insight into human psychology and mentality.

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Observing people's behavior patterns when they are part of a socioeconomic system that offers a wide variety of behavioral incentives and disincentives, then calling these patterns "human nature" or "human psychology" is not an "insight". ACists don't claim people will act any differently than they do in the situations you have observed them in.

Put another way: you have no basis for distinguishing between which thought/behavior patterns are inherent and which are socially derived.

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Dane S is the new pvn.