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Does AA raise UTG, bet out 3/4 pot on that dry flop and then pot a blank turn? I just dont' see that happening. All he would get action from is other sets. I guess 66 makes more sense for UTG, either that or AK/AQ.

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I agree, the turn bet didnt seem like AA to me either. It also seemed like too big of a bet for AK though. But, UTG he have AK.

Why are you not concerned about the Button cold call though? If the button folds the flop, this is an easy all in for me.

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The button is getting 3.5-1 on his flop call.

Have you considered that UTG may have c-bet a hand like JJ-KK, and the button called with AK-AQ. Given the flop action I don't think that is too unreasonable. The huge bet out by UTG on the turn could be just getting stubborn with KK knowing that AK is a big part of his own range, and he figures he only gets called by a set here, which he really doesn't have a good reason to believe he is up against.

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Does AA raise UTG, bet out 3/4 pot on that dry flop and then pot a blank turn? I just dont' see that happening. All he would get action from is other sets. I guess 66 makes more sense for UTG, either that or AK/AQ.

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I agree, the turn bet didnt seem like AA to me either. It also seemed like too big of a bet for AK though. But, UTG he have AK.

Why are you not concerned about the Button cold call though? If the button folds the flop, this is an easy all in for me.

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The button is getting 3.5-1 on his flop call.

Have you considered that UTG may have c-bet a hand like JJ-KK, and the button called with AK-AQ. Given the flop action I don't think that is too unreasonable. The huge bet out by UTG on the turn could be just getting stubborn with KK knowing that AK is a big part of his own range, and he figures he only gets called by a set here, which he really doesn't have a good reason to believe he is up against.

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I agree. Although I wouldn't give too much weight to UTG having KK-JJ after the turn bet out, but it certainly is possible.

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He is calling $25 at $88, little better than 3 to 1. Only likely way to improve his hand would be to set up, which is about 10-1 of him doing. I am not even sure he has the correct implied odds to call unless he can stack BOTH players.

I dont know if he is horrible or not, but I cant see a reasonable player calling here with pockets under the A.

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Does AA raise UTG, bet out 3/4 pot on that dry flop and then pot a blank turn? I just dont' see that happening. All he would get action from is other sets. I guess 66 makes more sense for UTG, either that or AK/AQ.

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I agree, the turn bet didnt seem like AA to me either. It also seemed like too big of a bet for AK though. But, UTG he have AK.

Why are you not concerned about the Button cold call though? If the button folds the flop, this is an easy all in for me.

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The button is getting 3.5-1 on his flop call.

Have you considered that UTG may have c-bet a hand like JJ-KK, and the button called with AK-AQ. Given the flop action I don't think that is too unreasonable. The huge bet out by UTG on the turn could be just getting stubborn with KK knowing that AK is a big part of his own range, and he figures he only gets called by a set here, which he really doesn't have a good reason to believe he is up against.

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I can possibly see a C bet there from an under pair, but think it is less likely into a 5 way pot. On the turn, that is pretty ballsy to bet with KK into 2 players. Like I said, easy call without a player behind me.

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He is calling $25 at $88, little better than 3 to 1. Only likely way to improve his hand would be to set up, which is about 10-1 of him doing. I am not even sure he has the correct implied odds to call unless he can stack BOTH players.

I dont know if he is horrible or not, but I cant see a reasonable player calling here with pockets under the A.

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If he has a PP then he is 23:1 to improve to a set. If he has some sort of middle pair 6x hand then he is 8:1 to improve.

He may not be reasonable and you have to account for the fact that he may not be. That is my whole point.

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On a side note, why did you only call on the flop if a call from the button was going to spook you?

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He is calling $25 at $88, little better than 3 to 1. Only likely way to improve his hand would be to set up, which is about 10-1 of him doing. I am not even sure he has the correct implied odds to call unless he can stack BOTH players.

I dont know if he is horrible or not, but I cant see a reasonable player calling here with pockets under the A.

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You are correct. I would think that after the button's flop call, his most likely range is a pair of Aces or better, and I think even a bad player folds out A10 here. He most likely has AK-AJ, A6, A2, AA, or 66, and most likely, that is UTGs range as well. Without discounting any of these hands, here is a pokerstove against both of them having this range.

2,022,513 games 54.594 secs 37,046 games/sec

Board: Ah 6d 2c 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.686% 78.15% 00.00% 1580613 0.00 { 2h2s }
Hand 1: 11.302% 11.32% 00.05% 228909 1038.00 { AA, 66, AJs+, A6s, A2s, AJo+, A6o, A2o }
Hand 2: 11.012% 11.03% 00.05% 223008 1038.00 { AA, 66, AJs+, A6s, A2s, AJo+, A6o, A2o }

If you call and the button folds, then you pickup about 95% of his equity, putting you to 87%.

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On a side note, why did you only call on the flop if a call from the button was going to spook you?

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I was expecting either a reraise from behind or more likely to go heads up. It did not, hence my question of is the flop call bad. I am wondering if a flop reraise would have been better. It would much more clearly defined anyone's hand who called behind me, but may have tipped off my hand.

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On a side note, why did you only call on the flop if a call from the button was going to spook you?

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I was expecting either a reraise from behind or more likely to go heads up. It did not, hence my question of is the flop call bad. I am wondering if a flop reraise would have been better. It would much more clearly defined anyone's hand who called behind me, but may have tipped off my hand.

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I don't like the flop call.

You want to get your money in the pot. I throw in a raise to about 75 and get the rest in on the turn.

Also, the pot is already quite large so you should be making a raise here with more than a set.

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He is calling $25 at $88, little better than 3 to 1. Only likely way to improve his hand would be to set up, which is about 10-1 of him doing. I am not even sure he has the correct implied odds to call unless he can stack BOTH players.

I dont know if he is horrible or not, but I cant see a reasonable player calling here with pockets under the A.

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You are correct. I would think that after the button's flop call, his most likely range is a pair of Aces or better, and I think even a bad player folds out A10 here. He most likely has AK-AJ, A6, A2, AA, or 66, and most likely, that is UTGs range as well. Without discounting any of these hands, here is a pokerstove against both of them having this range.

2,022,513 games 54.594 secs 37,046 games/sec

Board: Ah 6d 2c 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.686% 78.15% 00.00% 1580613 0.00 { 2h2s }
Hand 1: 11.302% 11.32% 00.05% 228909 1038.00 { AA, 66, AJs+, A6s, A2s, AJo+, A6o, A2o }
Hand 2: 11.012% 11.03% 00.05% 223008 1038.00 { AA, 66, AJs+, A6s, A2s, AJo+, A6o, A2o }

If you call and the button folds, then you pickup about 95% of his equity, putting you to 87%.

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I see everything I was trying to achieve was unheard.

I think both ranges are too tight. Also, you need to discount some of those hands somehow.