10-20 @ bellagio. Tricky spot with AA fairly deep

[StarRain]

If I didn't shove on the flop, I would close my eyes (So a worse hand might decide to call me) + ears and shove turn [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[LearnedfromTV]

excuse the retarded mediocre msnler question but you bet 750 pre; isn't shoving 3750 on the flop roughly like shoving 20ish bb after a regular preflop raise?

Even more so if you rr to 1k, but even as played, it seems an easy flop shove, or if not, a turn shove with the only reason to not shove the flop being if you think worse hands are more likely to stick it in on the turn.

Also are you more worried about KKK/QQQ from the reraiser or 666/444 from the other guy? If bet 800 call 800 can be a set from one of them, can't it just as easily be a king and a flush draw? I.e. if the second guy can have 44 can't he have a few flush draws or a king?

[CASINOCASINO]

I would fold on any K or Q high flops relatively easy.

[CASINOCASINO]

This action leads me to beleive you are beat.

[johnnyrocket]

u played this awful BTW, push preflop and hope he has a big and

we need to push this flop all in, way too much money and we dont want to let another card peel off to beat us, who knows maybe an AK is out there and going to donate to us

On turn we need to push here also, this is a super simple hand, idk if u should play these stakes if u have trouble with these spots.

[winestine]

if you're gonna push on the turn on a Q (which i think isn't too safe of a card), why not push the flop?

[AcidKnight]

Obviously reraise more than $500 on top preflop.

Why wait til the turn to push? You're likely getting called by AK if you raise the flop. I don't think you need to push, but you definitely need to put in a raise on the flop.

[klownage]

As played, I think turn is an obvious shove.

[StarRain]

Glad to see that someone also thinks Q isn't quite a safe card. Let's say Villain 1 reraised PF with QQ. If he doesn't know you enough (Your first raise looks like a positional raise) he might decide to lead with a probe bet.
The way you played PF gave those 2 callers a good odds to come in with any PP. On the flop, I think you were too weak passive. You couldn't really "call" there, it was either a raise or fold situation IMO, folding only if you read him as hitting K set. Everyone's betting amount means something. V1's 1/3 pot size lead is quite suspicious. If I was the V1 with KK and read you as AA, I would make the same bet and hope to trap V2, get raised by you then push. That's the perfect scenario for me if I had KK. If he had AK, that bet also makes sense since he wouldn't know where he stood. The way he gave up on turn is because now QQ beats him too. Anyway, this had was played not very well from the beginning. However, the pot is huge and you can't give a free river to catch you (V2 could have any draws since the flop bet was too cheap)

[Ringo]

I agree that the 3-bet preflop could have been larger, but I can't see an argument for pushing pf here. I guess it depends on villains tendencies, however I can only see KK calling here.

I make it $1k preflop, and "happily" get it in on any flop. Hopefully AK would pay you off on that flop, and villain 2 wouldn't have called preflop with his 66 to set you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]