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#11
04-28-2007, 10:01 AM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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If you know Utg is a good player would you really reraise with qq? [/ QUOTE ]I reraise QQ 100%. maybe this is a leak against tight players but its what I do. 
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#13
04-28-2007, 10:43 AM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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ive never folded KK preflop im my life, i wouldn't start here. [/ QUOTE ] I think you have them both on ranges that are way too narrow. Just because they're winning players doesnt mean theyre necessarily that tight. Sure, you might run into AA sometimes here, but I think folding is very bad over the long run.
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#14
04-28-2007, 10:56 AM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
This is fine if you trust your reads.
SNs would help. What cha said is right. Even if villian is three betting QQ here this seems like a fold. KK is 50/50 against a range of QQ+ factor in the probability that you probably only get called ahead, UTG can have AA and it's a fold.
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#15
04-28-2007, 10:58 AM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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This is fine if you trust your reads. SNs would help. What cha said is right. Even if villian is three betting QQ here this seems like a fold. KK is 50/50 against a range of QQ+ factor in the probability that you probably only get called ahead, UTG can have AA and it's a fold. [/ QUOTE ]You really need to have a good read to think that the villains might fold QQ.
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#16
04-28-2007, 01:49 PM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
post their names plz otherwise i cant say
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#17
04-28-2007, 02:35 PM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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Sorry forgot to get the HH but here it is. Lvl 1 Utg raises to 80 Utg+2 raises 240 MP (hero) KK ??? Both players have about a 5% roi at the 60s Havn't played with them before but if their winning players you can put utg on ak+jj+ and utg+2 on kk+ mayyybe qq+. All stack sizes are about equal. [/ QUOTE ] Do people generally raise 3x opening bet w/ AA? Usually a little less, maybe 2.5xbet, as not to kill action. There is only one hand you should fear. IMO, I don't think you have enough info to fold KK here... shove!
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#18
04-28-2007, 02:42 PM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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[ QUOTE ] Sorry forgot to get the HH but here it is. Lvl 1 Utg raises to 80 Utg+2 raises 240 MP (hero) KK ??? Both players have about a 5% roi at the 60s Havn't played with them before but if their winning players you can put utg on ak+jj+ and utg+2 on kk+ mayyybe qq+. All stack sizes are about equal. [/ QUOTE ] Do people generally raise 3x opening bet w/ AA? Usually a little less, maybe 2.5xbet, as not to kill action. There is only one hand you should fear. IMO, I don't think you have enough info to fold KK here... shove! [/ QUOTE ] id raise more with AA if anything. make pot bigger,etc. i dont think your logic makes sense
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#19
04-28-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
I'd re-raise w/ JJ,QQ,AK against good players because that way I find out what they have and am not going to go broke on an undercard flop w/ QQ or JJ, so I would push in this spot.
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#20
04-28-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: (60) OMG fold kk pf?
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I'm pretty sure this is an easy fold because I'm not going to get called by a hand I'm ahead of. I'm just making sure I'm not going insane thats all. [/ QUOTE ] No way this is a fold IMO. And there are plenty of people at the $60's that will call your shove with worse hands.
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