Does the run count?

[BeatOnRiver]

A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.
Rule 2.00 (Force Play) Comment: Confusion regarding this play is removed by remembering that frequently the “force” situation is removed during the play. Example: Man on first, one out, ball hit sharply to first baseman who touches the bag and batter-runner is out. The force is removed at that moment and runner advancing to second must be tagged. If there had been a runner on third or second, and either of these runners scored before the tag-out at second, the run counts. Had the first baseman thrown to second and the ball then had been returned to first, the play at second was a force out, making two outs, and the return throw to first ahead of the runner would have made three outs. In that case, no run would score.
Example: Not a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. Runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before throw from fielder reaches first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in umpire’s judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts. <font color="red"> </font>

[CrazyPsycho]

My assumption is the preceding runner is the runner further along on the basepath, meaning the run counts.

Judging by the post above me, I think this is the correct ruling.

[stormstarter28]

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Here's the college rule

(9) If there are two outs before the appeal on a runner, the appeal
becoming the third out, no runners following the appealed out shall
score, and if the appeal is a force out, no runners preceding or following
the appealed out shall score.

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There is no appeal...so this rule is irrelevant. The guy just didn't tag up and was doubled off. No run can score on a double play to end the inning (unless the second out of the play is a tag).

[AngusThermopyle]

Last out was not a force or the batter (before he reaches first).
Run scores.

[SoloAJ]

How is everyone saying it doesn't count. I am confused.

Reading those rules it looks like it sure counts to me.

[SoloAJ]

On a side note, last year playing slow pitch softball leagues, we had this play....

Opposing runner on 2nd, batter hits a shallow fly to left center that our LC fielder makes a diving catch at. The runner was like 2/3 of the way to 3rd and turned around to come back to try and not get tagged up.

LC gets up, chucks me the ball, I touch 2nd base with my foot, and start walking away (3 outs). As I turn to walk away, suddenly the baserunner (who had slowed down as the ball was coming in) bursts on the burners and slides into 2nd base.

The ump ruled him safe because I didn't tag him. He scores and we ended up losing the game a couple innings later by 1 run.

So....umps can suck. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[antidan444]

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How is everyone saying it doesn't count. I am confused.

Reading those rules it looks like it sure counts to me.

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EDIT: My initial reaction was that it should not count. But by the rules posted, it should.

[SoloAJ]

My basic understanding (and guess without knowing the rules) relied on the concept that the only time the run wouldn't count is a force out play. I equated this to a guy being in a pickle, a run scoring, and the pickle guy getting tagged out.

That was just my initial reaction. The rules sort of supported my thought but sort of said other stuff too.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Here's the college rule

(9) If there are two outs before the appeal on a runner, the appeal
becoming the third out, no runners following the appealed out shall
score, and if the appeal is a force out, no runners preceding or following
the appealed out shall score.

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There is no appeal...so this rule is irrelevant. The guy just didn't tag up and was doubled off. No run can score on a double play to end the inning (unless the second out of the play is a tag).

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7.08(d) He fails to retouch his base after a fair or foul ball is legally caught before he, or his base, is tagged by a fielder. He shall not be called out for failure to retouch his base after the first following pitch, or any play or attempted play. This is an appeal play;

It's what's known as a "live ball" appeal.

[BobOjedaFan]

The run counts, because the umpires said it did.