Blind defense checkup

[brettbrettr]

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I think check-calling allows him to play way too close to perfect.

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Crap, this is a good point. It probably looks like I am making a defensive check/call when the board pairs the 4 on the river, like I have a weak K or Q and am afraid of A4 or something, so he'll never bet a worse hand here on the river.

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Bitch, I know the difference between "to" and "too." I just can't type for [censored].

[private joker]

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Bitch, I know the difference between "to" and "too." I just can't type for [censored].

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Banned.

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I think I'd rather bet the river and not check-raise the flop.

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Can you go into detail why you don't like the flop checkraise? I got this from reading Stox's book; there's something there about getting your opponent to fold 6-outers on the turn. If I'm representing a K or Q here, he'll fold a hand like T7, T9, J7, etc. fairly often which is good for me.

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How to T7 and really J7 come into play here very often? IMO you need to weight his entire handrange and figure out if there are enough 6-outer hands that will fold the turn (T9 often won't) to justify checkraising the flop. There aren't many 6-out hands on this board and many of them will fire on the turn anyway, so you earn the same amount vs most of them. I think you should bet the river and proudly announce "six!" when he calls. :P

Rob

[brettbrettr]

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Bitch, I know the difference between "to" and "too." I just can't type for [censored].

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Banned.

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Touche.

[DeathDonkey]

I think you should check/fold the river. Otherwise could be fine but flop play could be wrong depending on how you play KTo and Q7s here (for example).

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[Michael Davis]

I think you guys are overthinking this. The river is definitely a check. This is a live 20 player. The chance of you making any money off of him by betting is near nil. He won't call the turn with 88 and by the river he's either got an ace high gutter that he'll grumble and fold or JT.

I guess you might get him to fold a better 6 but if you bet the river all that happens is you lose a bet everytime he has QJ. You should check and probably fold against a ton of live players but call against this guy.

-Michael

[private joker]

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I think you should check/fold the river. Otherwise could be fine but flop play could be wrong depending on how you play KTo and Q7s here (for example).

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I would checkraise both of those hands as well. Does that make my flop play better or worse?

I'm starting to be convinced that check-fold is the best river play here.

[27offsooot]

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I think check-calling allows him to play way too close to perfect.

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Crap, this is a good point. It probably looks like I am making a defensive check/call when the board pairs the 4 on the river, like I have a weak K or Q and am afraid of A4 or something, so he'll never bet a worse hand here on the river.

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If he's good, this makes sense... chances are he won't be thinking beyond the first level though. Perhaps a better read other than his pissing match would help.

I tend not to check rivers to induce bluffs against good players, but I will all the time against bad, especially LAGGy players

I think the hand was perfect.

[stoxtrader]

tough hand, on all streets.

I like the flop c/r but it's close because the KQ6 board hits so many hands he can have. The problem is that is true regardless of your line. A flop c/r might fold 77-JJ, AX with no gutshot, Jx/Tx/9x hands, and that is a victory for you against 6 live outs or a better hand.

The problem here is the two broadway cards just make so many hands/draws relative to your opponents range, but you also made a vulnerable pair that needs protecting. I think the turn follow-up is also good, but a turn c/c is ok as well because you are now risking more relative to the pot to find out if you are behind AND you have to fold to a raise when you are likely folding a 5 outer or even the best hand. The river would be player dependant...many players will bet 100% of the hnads they have here on the river when checked too, then the c/c is definitely best. others are more passive and capable of calling down with ace high, against them, bet/call.

overall a tough hand, but well played/good thought process. It becomes a ton easier to play on a board like say Q76 or Q63, just gives you much more clear idea of what you are against.

[Hobbs.]

rob,

do you prefer a flop c/c followed by a turn donk (on a safe card)?