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#11
04-22-2007, 11:01 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
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Fold, the 13/8 and 16/11 combined with their positions (UTG and UTG+1)... do you even need reasoning? [/ QUOTE ] Normally I agree but I was pretty much 99% sure that I have UTG beat, maybe just by playing with him, his bet size -- I knew he didn't have AA So now it changes strictly to the 16/11 and even with those numbers we are assuming that he simply cold called this early in a call happy game (notice the callers) 
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#12
04-22-2007, 11:13 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
You gave all the reasoning so I'm not really sure why you bothered asking the question. You're 99% sure you've got UTG beat, and UTG+1 probably doesn't cold call AA there...why are you asking us when you've already told us what to do?
What I'm more curious about is why you're 99% sure you've got UTG beat? - C -
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#13
04-22-2007, 11:29 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
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You gave all the reasoning so I'm not really sure why you bothered asking the question. You're 99% sure you've got UTG beat, and UTG+1 probably doesn't cold call AA there...why are you asking us when you've already told us what to do? What I'm more curious about is why you're 99% sure you've got UTG beat? - C - [/ QUOTE ] Because regardless of his stats he was donkin around a lot and I just didn't think he would play AA like this, maybe his bet size but I was confident I had him
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#14
04-22-2007, 11:34 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
Good enough. Then I'll ask again...why did you post this question when you've already given yourself the answer?
You can post a hand and have 100% of the people say "fold all day" and you say "my read was I was best, and I won the hand" or vice versa and you'll never be wrong. You read your hand is best vs. two people that are all in. What are you looking for us to say to that? - C -
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#16
04-22-2007, 11:37 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
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[ QUOTE ] fold. You think UTG+1 is calling off 200bb's w/QQ or AKs? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I'm not taking a stance on what OP should do since he's answered his own question, and I'm not gonna ask the obvious question about the "UTG was donking it around" comment regarding a 13/8 player... ...but it's worth noting that if UTG is in fact donking it around and UTG+1 is at all thinking about that the same way OP is, he doesn't need AA to reshove. - C -
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#17
04-22-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] fold. You think UTG+1 is calling off 200bb's w/QQ or AKs? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I'm not taking a stance on what OP should do since he's answered his own question, and I'm not gonna ask the obvious question about the "UTG was donking it around" comment regarding a 13/8 player... ...but it's worth noting that if UTG is in fact donking it around and UTG+1 is at all thinking about that the same way OP is, he doesn't need AA to reshove. - C - [/ QUOTE ] I dont see your point here, Im saying that I feel like I have UTG beat and realistically do we think UTG+1 could have AA here. That is my question, a couple of posters have answered this that for anyone playing this level they pretty much must have AA to make the call there.
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#20
04-23-2007, 01:08 AM
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Re: 2/4nl KK - I raise, push, push back to me...
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call [/ QUOTE ] it's getting too popular these days for ppl just to say "you cant fold kk pf for 100bb's". I tend to agree with that almost all of the time, but you should be open to the fact that sometimes this is not the case. Let's look at the information we have here...we are usually up against AA here, i fold as long as the stats come from a decent sample.
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