Anywhere you can defend vs the D-bag move?

[Gonso]

A d-bag move that's been described in a few posts recently [ QUOTE ]
(mostly on NVG): in a NL game a player makes a large size river raise and then says something along the lines of "oh no, I've made a mistake, I just wanted to call, get the floor, I want a ruling, I want my bet back", etc.
The floor comes and says that the bet stands,

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I'd announce raise and call the floor over with any dispute, but this raise is going to stand.

[Brokeski]

OBV there is no way to clearly defend against it, unless you are at a hodunk casino or card room where you are a local and every call is in your favor. But i think the easiest way to defend against this is if you are put in the situation where you have just been raised and the guy is trying to say he meant call. I would just try and make a deal with him like, i will call your call in but after the hand whoever loses gets the extra money you didn't mean to raise back. Now THAT is angle shooting.

Another thing you could do is just talk to him and try and figure out by his actions weather or not he is legit on what he is saying or if hes full of [censored]. All that this "angle shot" is is a complex bluff. Just don't think anyone you are playing against is your friend.

[Dynasty]

If you don't mind lying, you could always let the floor come over and hear an explanation of the situation. Then, you politely raise your hand and tell the floor person "I heard him say 'call' before he put his chips in the pot."

If it works, you get to see him turn over the nuts and he's exposed to the whole table.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

You are asking a question with no single answer. It would completely depend on the competency and judgement of the floorperson. The vast majority of the time there is little hope you would be allowed to take anything back, but you never know.

Btw this and a few other moves are among the sleeziest "pseudo-legal" moves on the face of the earth. I do want to win but not if I have to sacrifice my integrity to do so. Obviously these jerkoffs never had any so I guess blame their mothers. I will occasionally take a tourist aside and warn them of these dirtbag moves in an effort to protect the integrity of the game, which these dirtbags do comprimise.

Al

[allbad]

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If you don't mind lying, you could always let the floor come over and hear an explanation of the situation. Then, you politely raise your hand and tell the floor person "I heard him say 'call' before he put his chips in the pot."


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If I was out of the hand and heard you say this, I'd pipe up with "I also heard him say 'call'"

[ChipFish]

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Then, you politely raise your hand and tell the floor person "I heard him say 'call' before he put his chips in the pot."

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I think that's great. I will use this if needed. Thanks.

[Wyman]

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If you don't mind lying, you could always let the floor come over and hear an explanation of the situation. Then, you politely raise your hand and tell the floor person "I thought I heard him say 'call' before he put his chips in the pot."

If it works, you get to see him turn over the nuts and he's exposed to the whole table.

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FYP. This way, no one can accuse you of anything later on either.

[The DaveR]

So you're asking what to do when someone shoves the river and you know he has the nuts?

[AngusThermopyle]

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So you're asking what to do when someone shoves the river and you know he has the nuts?

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Think the point might be

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naive opponent calls the raise and loses to the nuts.

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1. If the guy pulls this a second time at a club, one hopes that the floor would know what was going on and would rule accordingly. But since it is a case of noob vs regular, I know what most floors would do.

2. If I were at the table and knew the guy's act, I would be tempted to tell the noob what I knew, and then let him decide to call or fold.

[Rick Nebiolo]

Heads up it seems a thinking floor would allow you (the victim) to "allow" the call as long as it was heads up.

I'm thinking of rewording your OP a bit as follows and asking a few floorpeople I know how they would handle it?

Heads up on the river in a NL game a player makes a large size raise and then says something along the lines of "oh no, I've made a mistake, I just wanted to call, get the floor, I want a ruling, I want my bet back", etc.

You are the floor and learn the above when you come to the table. Then the lead better says "I'm happy for him to take his bet back, let that be a call".

Would you allow the call or force the raise to stand?

Any suggestions as to a better way of asking it to get a realistic response?

~ Rick