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Old 04-11-2007, 10:39 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

I don't think an Ace would c/r flop. UTG can't count on you to bet when checked to and risk giving a free card. Similarly, a set isn't going to play this way either.

I think if you 3bet, it makes your hand look stronger but won't get him to fold his Ace (I think that's what he's representing).

When you are c/r on the flop like this, I think you need to make a plan for blank turns such as what you were given. Flop chk/raise is going to be followed up by a turn lead and if you "float" here you're not going to put in a bet on the turn with your weak hand and you're giving him a free shot at the pot?

Either fold to flop c/r or 3b; otherwise you'll be playing an expensive guessing game. Since his hand looks inconsistent with something strong I'd 3b.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

I shove, he's more likely to make a mistake.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:12 AM
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you played this hand fine

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Old 04-12-2007, 12:22 AM
JOHNY CA$H JOHNY CA$H is offline
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

Re raising and getting it on on the flop is an option.

As played, I don't see how else you can play the turn.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

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do you think you have no FE on the flop 150bb deeP

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Yes, that's what I feared. Maybe I was too pessimistic.

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Stacks look to be 100bb to me

I shove this flop all day
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

just felt this hand on the flop while you have lots of equity.
Or checkbehind (meh).

You need to get to the river, and he won't let you do that by just calling his c/r, as you already know he's shoving turn MOST of the time, pricing you out.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

reasons to call: you think u have better draw, want to keep him on his and stack him when u both hit or Q high takes pot on riv.

reasons to raise: large FE, pair+nice FD is always pushable

I shove personally
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:50 AM
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Default Re: 600NL: QJs

Do you guys really think a lot of people c/r fold here with a bare A?
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:58 AM
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Do you guys really think a lot of people c/r fold here with a bare A?

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no
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Old 04-12-2007, 01:02 AM
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Do you guys really think a lot of people c/r fold here with a bare A?

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No, I think a lot of people are c/r here with all kinds of outlandish [censored] and will follow up and fire this turn with high frequency.

If you're playing in the same games I am, c-bets are raised/checkraised with such frequency now that shoving this flop is essential just to keep these people off your back. Also, even when called and slightly behind, shania/meta considerations make this +EV imo.
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