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Old 04-12-2007, 08:44 AM
psandman psandman is offline
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Default Re: Within the Rules or goofball move???

I don't see this as an angle at all (unless there were multiple players in the hand or you have some rule against exposing cards).
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:46 AM
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there is no rule about exposing cards when heads-up in a cash game.
A couple of people see it as an alright move, but it looks like there are more that think it's not o.k.

Nobody else on the table knew I did it on purpose either... even after the game was over and the villain was gone home.
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:08 PM
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Yes, within the rules. But I would lean towards goofball move. The split pot comment is dumb because the board doesn't look like a split.

I understand your motivation, and I would be inclined to have some fun here too but in a different way.

For example, I might flip over my 3 and say, "your A high is no good". To me, that is playing a psychological game but not in a dickish way. Someone please correct me here if you think this approach is dickish as well.

In the end, yes in poker you do play mind games trying get guys to fold or call. And frankly, I like it when guys do that because there is a wealth of tells for me to pick up on. In your case, I too would have noticed your 3 and I might have decided to fold a 10 there.

However, for our own home games, we don't usually get involved in plays like this because we keep things friendly. Psychological games at a casino with a bunch of guys I don't know is one thing, but with my buddies or in a social setting, it sometimes is not really welcome.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: Within the Rules or goofball move???

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there is no rule about exposing cards when heads-up in a cash game.

A couple of people see it as an alright move, but it looks like there are more that think it's not o.k.

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It's not showing the cards that's the problem - that's fine. He could flip them faceup if he wanted to. All I'm saying is this is generally considered bad form and good players generally don't resort to these kind of shoots.

I mentioned earlier that it was an old trick in Caro's BOT... it's tell #40 in my edition. Doesn't give a lot of info outside of, "Why would a player 'accidentally' expose a card here unless he was trying to deceive you?"

Another thing to consider is your venue... if you're one of the better players the last thing you want is for other people to start all of these goofy angles.
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:32 AM
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I would just like to state that these guys aren't my friends. I hang out with 1 person that plays there out of the 50 or so that show up. So I don't feel bad.
Like I said, nobody knows I made the move I made, so it looks like to them that I did it by mistake.

How can it not look like a split pot when I said "well, it looks like a split pot" the board was 3,4,4,4,10 he had the 10.
Are youkidding me? I would love for someone to have shown me the 3 in that spot. Then I would have insta-folded...
I would have folded anyway... why would you call all that money on the river to chance only splitting the small amount in the middle.
I still don't think what I did was that bad. Cause you are aloud to show your cards in a cash game... I just pretended I was doing it by mistake.
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Old 04-13-2007, 11:46 AM
Befolder Befolder is offline
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"Or did I angle shoot his ass?"

The simple fact that you chose to word this sentence in this way tells me that you think you're pretty clever and just wanted to tell your story more than get a ruling on your douchebaggery. You can only skin a sheep once. I think it was a pretty classless move.
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Old 04-13-2007, 11:49 AM
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(Or what's that stupid thing where you hold your fingers in a ring on your leg and punch people for looking at it? Any sixth grade bullies here?)

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My 34 year old friend still does this when I see him from time to time. He doesn't deliver the blows when I look, but we like to yuck it up about the past.
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Old 04-13-2007, 11:53 AM
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there is no rule about exposing cards when heads-up in a cash game.
A couple of people see it as an alright move, but it looks like there are more that think it's not o.k.

Nobody else on the table knew I did it on purpose either... even after the game was over and the villain was gone home.

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Yes, we haven't even talked about the other players yet. I think you assume they're all stupid and unaware. Even though you don't think they think you showed on purpose, I'm sure some of them don't feel as warm towards you and that is bad for you.

People simply don't appreciate being tricked, or playing with others who are going to pull moves like that. Everyone who saw it happen has the potential to leave that game,not just the victim.
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Old 04-13-2007, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: Within the Rules or goofball move???

Take it down, you won he lost.
Just know you will never get his money again, just because he will never play with you again.
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Old 04-13-2007, 12:16 PM
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Trust me when I say they will play again... same guys for 3 years. Over the past 3 years, I paid my 1st car off, I bought a second car, I bought a house and have paid over half of it off, I have bought brand new golf clubs (the works), lawnmower, snowblower, brand new appliances... and I have 11k saved towards my 3 year olds University fund already. When I say this game is soft, I mean REAL soft.. I'm not trying to bragg about how much I make, but that I'm there to gamble with a bunch of guys I know and 1 of whom is my friend. I will say, that I will not lie if asked a question, I always show my cards if someone asks, I do not table talk while not in a hand, I never tell them they are donkeys and I never slow roll. I trully don't think what I did was totally wrong. Just remember, you are aloud to show your cards in a cash game. Are most of you saying it's wrong because I pretended I wasn't doing it on purpose?
Or what if I flashed the 3 instead? Is that wrong now too?

And I have played with the same guys for the past 3 years and played with them four or five more times since this occured.
So you ask if I think they are dumb and didn't realize that I did this move? Yes, I know they don't think I did it on purpose.

Boo hoo... people don't appreciate being tricked in a poker game? Are you kidding me? That's funny.
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