I feel like I'm wasting AA by raising pf

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what's wrong with limp or raise smaller? unless we are mentally challenged postflop, we should be able to make $$ from the 50% of the AA hands that otherwise don't get to see a flop when we do raise 4xbb/reraise.

dude, i have 236 AA's that just picked up the blinds!!!!!!! (with one or two picking up the 4bbs from original pfr)

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hey i have an idea raise every hand and become micro rich!!!!!

[derosnec]

ok, everyone do this:

go to PT, filter for "Any Raise"

Count how many AA's there are

Then filter for "There was no flop"

Count how many AA's there are.

Curious what % all you wild and crazy lags are getting.

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omg. that was 10NL!!!!! u think those guys are calculating a range for me?

anyways, prior to my last 50k hands (where i've been running in the teens), i ran about 30/24/2 for about 60k hands. i assure you all, i didn't get any more action than i am now. fish continued being fishy. nits continued being nitty. tags continued being confused.

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well try 60/48/4 then.
since no one seems to adapt you should pick up blinds'n'limps all over the place. forget about the big pots.

[jmgambler]

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what's wrong with limp or raise smaller? unless we are mentally challenged postflop, we should be able to make $$ from the 50% of the AA hands that otherwise don't get to see a flop when we do raise 4xbb/reraise.

dude, i have 236 AA's that just picked up the blinds!!!!!!! (with one or two picking up the 4bbs from original pfr)

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I understand the frustration, but all you have to do is look at the <font color="green">$$$$</font> under the AA heading in your PT [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Bantam222]

more importantly: what is your win rate with AA?

[derosnec]

my win rate with AA hands that did not see the flop (about 50% of my AA hands) is .77 PTBB/100

[Triggerle]

It doesn't work that way. Your winrate with the hands where you saw a flop with would be substantially lower if you wouldn't raise.

[derosnec]

yes i understand that

my winrate with AA is 7.5 PTBB/100 (where there was a flop)

so, 15 big blinds (or $3.75 at 25nl)

if i see 100% more flops with AA (by limping or minraising) then that 7.5 PTBB/100 would have to drop significantly for the new strategy to be less profitable

edited for hands that saw a flop

[Supwithbates]

Where are you finding this % seen flop stat?

[Xanta]

If you raise preflop to 4bb and get it heads up, pot pot pot gets you all in by the river.

If you limp preflop and are 3 way on the flop, 2 way on the turn (something kinda sorta typical) , pot pot pot leaves you and villain with around 60BB leftover by the river.

Maybe you could justify it if you were playing with 50bb stacks, but with 100bbs I think that you're really underestimating the importance of building a pot. It has to start preflop if you want anything substantial by the river.