Berating donks

[b-komplex]

Have a couple kids and you'll learn restraint [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously it's really bad for business. There is one guy playing PS FR 50NL lately who runs like 70/30 and he's basically my ATM. Last night a guy starts laying into him calling him a donkey, etc. When the guy finally left to play a $5 SNG I berated him. FR is all set miners and short stacks anymore so why chase the live ones out?

[Suigin406]

if it's really a problem to the point where the chat is annoying u even more, i'd disable it alltogether...

otherwise get some kind of stress ball or something and wreck havoc on it...

[jack frost]

I know that berating them can be profitable but I am usually very very ignorant to them and most leave. I don't tilt as far as altering my play but I just would like to find a better way of dealing with it.
There really is no sense in telling someone how they played bad when they are too stupid to even realize that they really are that dumb.

[blunty31]

A decent winrate is 2-3BB/100 so even if you play good and run average your only gonna be slightly ahead on most days. Thats why its called a grind.

[thunderbolt]

LOL

[D.L.M.]

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A decent winrate is 2-3BB/100 so even if you play good and run average your only gonna be slightly ahead on most days. Thats why its called a grind.

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LOL

[Daniel Magix]

I do not have a problem with berating fish/donks. I have been outdrawn by trash hands many times, and I am used to it now. I also understand that I want them there at my table.

Last night, however, I did something else that I regret - I berated a berator.

There was this one guy, who as soon as I sat down, I saw him crying about some beat and how awful the villian was to have played the way he did. A few “don't tap the glass” comments were made, and then this conversation occured...

Me: “yeah really, relax”
Crybaby: “Daniel, you are getting involved in this why?”
Me: “Cause I like don't like people scaring away money”

Several hands later, I am HU vs. Crybaby, he completed from SB and I checked my Q5os. Flop is J64r. He checks, I make a PSB to try for a steal. He calls. Turn is a Q - he checks, I bet. Same action occurs on the River when a 2 hits. He calls and show a J9. He then says something to the effect of...

Crybaby: “Nice flop”
Crybaby: “way to get all your money in there on the flop”
Me: “a 20¢ pot sized bet is all my money?”
Me: “if that's the worst beat anyone ever hands you in your poker career, you are lucky”
Me: “Besides, I was ahead PF! lol”
Crybaby: “it's ok, it's probably not the lasat time we will play together”
Me: “I hope not - you seem prone to tilting, I'd love to play you again”
Other Guy: “Daniel, what happened to not tapping the glass?”
Crybaby: “you're right actually, I should work on my tilting”

So, I was berating a berator. It was kind of dumb of me. I should have left him to his tilting ways, instead of drawing attention to it. A guy who berates fish, can be as profitable as the fish themselves when they tilt.

[MyTurn2Raise]

Mason Malmuth has a few really good essays on berating donks and closely related topics in his "Poker Essays" volumes

I agree with him....don't do it.



Sometimes, I still do.

[BobbyShaftoe]

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In Limit Holdem, A decent winrate is 2-3BB/100 so even if you play good and run average your only gonna be slightly ahead on most days. Thats why its called a grind.

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[notfreemoney]

Dont berate them, say nothing or nice hand.
The best is when other people are berating a donk and I like to start defending the donk and telling the table it was the right play. But seriously, its -EV to berate.