Fancy play alarm

[bozlax]

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"Mwahaha, I have your bucket. If you want it back, you will give me $1 million in small, unmarked herring. . . "

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[bozlax]

I curious at the absence of raises a) preflop and b) on the flop; can you explain? Basically, you're telling us you gave up a decent stealing opportunity vs. an EP poster and a likely at-worst-breakeven-but-at-least-getting-some-cheapish-info raise in order to set this up. Which means the FPS alarm definitely should have sounded.

[Carmine]

Nice raise!! Unfortunatley it came one street too late. I prefer a flop raise here as we have better equity. Note here that I didn't say I would raise the flop only because our position to the action might get us HU(if MP3 3-bets)with the worst hand.

On the turn you have to consider that MP3 is betting again into two players and you say he can think. There is only a FD for players other than Ax to call with. So even if he has you chasing a draw he has to worry about the cold-calling button on both prior streets. Yes he could be in bet/fold mode but I think we have to weigh his hands more heavly toward Ax which is never folding. If you get 3-bet you have to call.

Not a good spot to pull this IMO.

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I curious at the absence of raises a) preflop and b) on the flop; can you explain? Basically, you're telling us you gave up a decent stealing opportunity vs. an EP poster and a likely at-worst-breakeven-but-at-least-getting-some-cheapish-info raise in order to set this up. Which means the FPS alarm definitely should have sounded.

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help me out ... I don't get a flop raise either?

does he donk or check raise

does check raising here ever win after BTN calls MP3's flop bet? ... I like a raise if he folds, but after he calls (I call and hope MP2 wants to come along ... and play it straight up after that)

[Carmine]

PB, a flop raise is not intended to win this right there. It is stricly because we have an equity edge. 35% to hit our darw by the river and only contributing 33% to the pot. Yes it is a small edge but an edge nontheless. Now in my post I mentioned that i may not raise this flop only because if either player drops out I no longer have that edge. 35% to hit but contribute 50% to the pot when HU. I'm also not drawing to the nuts but thats only a small concern

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PB, a flop raise is not intended to win this right there. It is stricly because we have an equity edge. 35% to hit our darw by the river and only contributing 33% to the pot. Yes it is a small edge but an edge nontheless. Now in my post I mentioned that i may not raise this flop only because if either player drops out I no longer have that edge. 35% to hit but contribute 50% to the pot when HU. I'm also not drawing to the nuts but thats only a small concern

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i would check raise for value if we had two callers ... once we include rake into the calculation a raise for value with just one caller is so thin that risking a 3bet and a fold just isn't worth it IMO

[Carmine]

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PB, a flop raise is not intended to win this right there. It is stricly because we have an equity edge. 35% to hit our darw by the river and only contributing 33% to the pot. Yes it is a small edge but an edge nontheless. Now in my post I mentioned that i may not raise this flop only because if either player drops out I no longer have that edge. 35% to hit but contribute 50% to the pot when HU. I'm also not drawing to the nuts but thats only a small concern

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i would check raise for value if we had two callers ... once we include rake into the calculation a raise for value with just one caller is so thin that risking a 3bet and a fold just isn't worth it IMO

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I believe we're saying the samething in relation to this hand. There will be circumstances when it will be fine to push that small edge, this just isn't one of them.

[nichtsnutz]

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PB, a flop raise is not intended to win this right there. It is stricly because we have an equity edge. 35% to hit our darw by the river and only contributing 33% to the pot. Yes it is a small edge but an edge nontheless. Now in my post I mentioned that i may not raise this flop only because if either player drops out I no longer have that edge. 35% to hit but contribute 50% to the pot when HU. I'm also not drawing to the nuts but thats only a small concern

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I thought about raising the flop but never for value because MP3 will often reraise and button will

1. Fold, making me pay a lot to draw
2. Call, indicating he has a hand which means my equity is slightly above 1/3 at best.

Edit: The talk about a free card was BS of course :-)