$5.50 - KK - When to slowdown?

[Kevin8423]

250 pf is bad, please don't do that. As an example..

250pf.. pot on flop is 550. Flop: A59r

C-Bet costs you atleast 375 maybe even more like 425. Villain shoves over and you fold. That costed you 700 just to C-Bet and fold. Keep the pot smaller pf. You also don't want to keep out potential callers because it might be a JJx flop.

[Little John]

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250 pf is bad, please don't do that. As an example..

250pf.. pot on flop is 550. Flop: A59r

C-Bet costs you atleast 375 maybe even more like 425. Villain shoves over and you fold. That costed you 700 just to C-Bet and fold. Keep the pot smaller pf. You also don't want to keep out potential callers because it might be a JJx flop.

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Why don't you want to build a pot with KK?

[EscapePlan9]

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250 pf is bad, please don't do that. As an example..

250pf.. pot on flop is 550. Flop: A59r

C-Bet costs you atleast 375 maybe even more like 425. Villain shoves over and you fold. That costed you 700 just to C-Bet and fold. Keep the pot smaller pf. You also don't want to keep out potential callers because it might be a JJx flop.

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A little contradictory? You advise not raising to 250 because it makes the c/b more expensive if the flop is A-high, but then you say don't worry about donkeys hitting a lucky flop like JJx. How about don't worry about any flops - you have KK and you're nearly 100% of the time putting in money as a HUGE favorite pre-flop, then the flop often doesn't come A-high, and even when it does, they often give up if they don't have the ace.

I like 200-250 pre-flop the best here. With a hand as strong as KK, I like 200. With JJ-QQ, I like 250.

[Kevin8423]

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A little contradictory? You advise not raising to 250 because it makes the c/b more expensive if the flop is A-high, but then you say don't worry about donkeys hitting a lucky flop like JJx.

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Thats not contradictory. Don't bet 250 since it could be A high on the flop, and you also don't need to be betting 250 because of the occasional bad flop. We do want callers here. I try to keep my betting consistant to not give away a ton of information, if you want to raise 5BB with KK and AA and not do that with any other hands go right ahead. I'm assuming that isn't your standard preflop raise.

[MexKrax]

I don't see why you'd be worried about slowing down in this hand. I think you're going to see UTG stack off with 77 more often than you lose to a J. This line gets all the money in when your opponent has 77 (or another low pair) and when he has a J, but checking the turn and hoping for a cheap showdwon gets all the money in when your opponent has a J and nothing else in when he's got 77.

As for raising 250 vs. 200 it doesn't really matter. With KK you should be betting as much as you think your opponents will call. If you think they'll call 300, bet that much.

[Pudge714]

Check turn.
Shove if he bets. Vbet if he checks behind.

[Shillx]

Whatever you do, don't check/call the river. All it does it assure that the money goes in when you are beat. If he has 66 or AQ he will just check behind but if you shove he might call with said hands.

[futuredoc85]

250 pf is fine, 200 is fine, less than 200 is much worse than 250

[fluorescenthippo]

looks fine to me. pudge has a good line too. but in a $5.50 id probably just keep betting

[AMT]

i would not really consider slowing down here...your WA/WB and much more often WA, imo