Flopped Nuts 400nl - Page 2

terp · #11 03-28-2007, 04:30 PM

raise flop more. i think turn check is a decent disguising variation, but then plan on shoving any river.

bilbo-san · #12 03-28-2007, 04:44 PM

3-bet preflop.

As played, pot the flop.

Turn, use a randomizer, check sometimes, bet sometimes.

River shove no matter what the turn action is.

loosbastard · #13 03-28-2007, 04:54 PM

Looks like he has some kind of 2 pair type hand after calling your flop raise. I think betting the turn that strong makes this too easy of a fold. This villain obviously is a decent thinking player and not some .50/1 NL donk that calls off his stack w/ JT/JQ/AQ etc.

I don't mind checking the turn if he's really aggro (which he seems to be). It will look like you're either trying to: 1)control the pot size w/ 1/2 pair hands or 2)giving up after a failed bluff-raise on the flop. As mentioned above though...the only problem with checking is you're possibly giving him a free card to fill up.

I might make a smallish 1/2 pot bet that looks like you're trying to figure out where you stand. A smaller bet at least gives him a chance to make a play at you.

Edit: for everybody saying 3-bet PF...I think calling here is fine every once in a while...especially in position against a LAG. I'm sure he's expecting you to 3-bet AK...so your hand is pretty disguised.

aislephive · #14 03-28-2007, 04:55 PM

I think checking the turn against this villain is bad, he probably goes to the felt with AQ+.

loosbastard · #15 03-28-2007, 04:57 PM

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I think checking the turn against this villain is bad, he probably goes to the felt with AQ+.

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Why do you think he'd felt AQ here? Just because he's LAG doesn't mean he's bad.

jaywks · #16 03-28-2007, 05:05 PM

Yea, I don't think villain would felt AQ here at all. He was a very good thinking player, and was absolutely running over the table.

After moving up to 2/4nl, I was running at 20/16/3, so I don't think I had a crazy image with the villain. I hadn't been check raising with air, and had been playing pretty much straight forward.

Although I would take this line against normal players, against this villain, who had been completely outplaying me, I stacked off 2.5 buyins to him, I think I may have played this a little too straight forward. I don't know though.

aislephive · #17 03-28-2007, 05:10 PM

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I think checking the turn against this villain is bad, he probably goes to the felt with AQ+.

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Why do you think he'd felt AQ here? Just because he's LAG doesn't mean he's bad.

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I never said he was bad, but most LAGs do tend to overplay hands in general (and for good reason), and a lot of them would probably not fold AQ to a turn bet. They can't put you on AK since you just called preflop, fwiw. Depends how often you cold call preflop in general, with not just AK but bigger suited connectors like TJ/QJ/89 (aka he has more hands to fear in your range).

I take back checking being bad, but I'd still bet this 80% of the time or more. But my image is worse than 90% of the posters here, so perhaps my judgement is clouded by that.

Hince · #18 03-28-2007, 05:16 PM

I think this hand was played fine. This flop hits so many hands that it would be foolish to just call, IMO.

However, after he calls, checking behind on the turn is kinda cool against the right kind of villian.

loosbastard · #19 03-28-2007, 05:17 PM

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I take back checking being bad, but I'd still bet this 80% of the time or more. But my image is worse than 90% of the posters here, so perhaps my judgement is clouded by that.

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I too generally have an awful image...so I would probably bet the turn just about always as well; however, the OP said he was running 20/16ish...so I was trying to comment from that perspective.

If I were the villain in this hand...I may not put him on AK, but I guarantee you I'm not felting AQ,KQ,JT, etc. here against a 20/16.

loosbastard · #20 03-28-2007, 05:21 PM

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However, after he calls, checking behind on the turn is kinda cool against the right kind of villian.

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That's why I think a check here could be a great play. From previous posts, it's clear that this particular villain is very aggressive and capable of making moves if he senses weakness. The only hands you're really worried about giving a free card to is TT/JJ/QQ...as any 2 pair hand is down to 4 outs. You must also consider that TT-QQ is only a very small part of a LAG's range...even from UTG.