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#11
03-27-2007, 12:41 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
It's not cheating. You have the words cheating and unethical mixed up probably.
edit: the OP does not state if you actively do something to be able to see the hole cards. That might be cheating if you do, I don't know. 
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03-27-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
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It's not cheating. You have the words cheating and unethical mixed up probably. [/ QUOTE ] Nah. It's both. [ QUOTE ] edit: the OP does not state if you actively do something to be able to see the hole cards. That might be cheating if you do, I don't know. [/ QUOTE ] Is looking toward the person's hole cards "actively doing something to be able to see the hole cards"?
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#13
03-27-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
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It's not cheating. You have the words cheating and unethical mixed up probably. [/ QUOTE ] PlayerA keeps showing his cards. PlayerB gives one quiet warning, and then shuts up. PlayerA == stupid PlayerB maybe unethical, but not cheating. You are sitting on the other end of the table. Are you happy with the situation? PlayerA bets turn, PlayerB raises with marginal hand because he knows PlayerA is on a draw. You muck the best hand because you do not have the information. Oh, PlayerA and PlayerB are roommates. Still think it is just 'unethical'? What if PlayerA is just trying to help his friend and there is no 'agreement'?
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03-27-2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
Just to be the devils advocate:
If my opponent calls on a draw without the correct implied odds, should I tell him to stop ONCE, before I take advantage of it? Protecting your hand is part of playing poker - why is it any different than any other poker skill?
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#15
03-27-2007, 01:05 PM
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Protecting your hand is part of playing poker - why is it any different than any other poker skill? [/ QUOTE ] Fine, if you are playing heads up. You are not. You get information that 8 other players do not have. I am across the table from you. Every hand I clearly show my hand to my neighbor, even if he is in the hand. You fine with that?
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#16
03-27-2007, 01:26 PM
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Every hand I clearly show my hand to my neighbor, even if he is in the hand. You fine with that? [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. This is a mix between "collusion" and violating the "show one show all" rule that most rooms have. So, even if the person showing the cards doesn't realize it, the person seeing the cards is violating these two rules (for all you sticklers that seem to be OK with acting unethically, as long as it's not breaking a "rule").
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#17
03-27-2007, 02:36 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
I probably tell him once - but I play poker not only for the money but for the game. To learn it and master it.
If you're only sitting at the table to make bucks, it makes sense not to say anyting. You're per definition not cheating, but getting all the advantage you can. That said, if I'm in the BB with AK and he is in the SB with AQ - and I see his hand for the first time - I have no problem with pushing it all in if he raises me and telling him later instead. After all, you could easily just consider this to be a very specific tell. It's his fault and you get (very detailed) information on his range. You wouldn't say anything to someone with any other tell, would you?
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#18
03-27-2007, 02:46 PM
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After all, you could easily just consider this to be a very specific tell. It's his fault and you get (very detailed) information on his range. You wouldn't say anything to someone with any other tell, would you? [/ QUOTE ] A tell is something everybody has a chance to discover. If the guy is only flashing the cards to you, you have an advantage over every other player at the table. Not because of your 'skill' at uncovering 'tells', but by the chance you are sitting next to Mr Flasher.
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#19
03-27-2007, 02:50 PM
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After all, you could easily just consider this to be a very specific tell. It's his fault and you get (very detailed) information on his range. You wouldn't say anything to someone with any other tell, would you? [/ QUOTE ] Poker is a game of making decisions with limited/imperfect information. A tell is way of getting closer to the truth (what his cards are), but it is still limited & imperfect. Actually seeing his cards ruins the game. The FTOP doesn't even apply when you actually KNOW the person's cards. The word "IF" is in there for a reason. You aren't supposed to actually know them with certainty. Perhaps I see this game differently than most people. I love the game. I love getting better at it. I don't play just to win money.
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03-27-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: Is This Cheating?
purely ethical way to handle:
1st - "sir, the way you handle your cards, you're showing them to me" 2nd - "dealer, the guy next to me keeps flashing me his cards"...dealer: sir, please stop flashing your cards, you won't get another warning 3rd and anytime afterwards - "dealer, he flashed me his cards", dealer: "sir, you were warned. Your hand is dead." I don't know if the dealer should kill his hand or make him play his cards face up. This would be the 100% purely ethical way to handle, but no one really is going to go this route, would they?
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