How often you fold KK preflop?

[Isura]

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It seems a lot more common than 1 in 22000 - anyone got an exact stat?

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1 in 22560 according to this

I'll fold against a known rock, but that's about it.

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That number is for heads up. At a 10-handed table there are 10*9/2 = 45 heads up pairs. So 45/22560, or about .2%.

The Doc

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You forgot to multiply somewhere. It's more like 4%.

[RED FACE]

Once I had KK against KK and AA all in pre-that sucked.

[soah]

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I believe there is like a 1 in 22,000(?not really sure but alot) chance of two players being dealt AA and KK pre-flop. So, since AA is the only hand beating you I'd think it's safe to never fold.

Of course I got dealt QQ the other day and the two other that called had AA and KK so the impossible can happen.

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Your stats are off by a couple orders of magnitude.

[Slappz]

1 in 22000, thats funny

[Salerosa]

My simple answer: you should raise a wide enough array of hands preflop to warrant folding KK when you have it almost never, esp at six max.

[cardsharkk04]

Yea, unless its a rock, you probably should be folding it pretty rarely. You will see QQ and AK more often than you expect. I usually just say fck it, if they have AA I'll pay em off. And they usually don't have it, especially at 6max.

[soah]

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My simple answer: you should raise a wide enough array of hands preflop to warrant folding KK when you have it almost never, esp at six max.

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How frequently you raise preflop has absolutely no relevence here.

[Mathemagician]

Yes, the probability of another player at a 10-handed table being dealt AA while you hold KK is roughly 4%.

However, we are not interested in the pure probability associated with this event. What we are interested in is the conditional probability of a player holding aces given the fact that he rasied, you reraised, and he pushed preflop is significantly greater.

If we assume villain is equally likely to do this with AA, KK, QQ, AK we have 57% equity in this pot. However, I would contend that villain is much more likely to do this with AA/KK/AKs than QQ or AKo (which tend to just call the PFRR, as does AKs for many villains). If we remove QQ or AKo from villain's range we are now at 47% and if we remove both from villain's range we are at 32%.

I would lean towards folding to both rocks and unknowns, bascially requiring a positive read that villain's range includes QQ and AKo under these circumstances in order to call.

Now, if I could only take my own advice at the tables and quit stacking off with KK and AKs preflop. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

M

[Salerosa]

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My simple answer: you should raise a wide enough array of hands preflop to warrant folding KK when you have it almost never, esp at six max.

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How frequently you raise preflop has absolutely no relevence here.

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You are correct, what I meant to say was how active and aggressive you are preflop affects the range of hands your opponents are willing to stick it in with preflop, assuming your opponents pay attention to what is going on around them and at least make some attempt to adjust.
If you have the table image of a rock, AA and KK are willing to stick it in with you preflop. If you have a LAGy image AA, KK, QQ, AK, and possibly JJ and AQs are now willing to go the felt with you preflop. The 3-bet from our opponent now has a range wide enough that calling is without a doubt +EV.

[creedofhubris]

I've done it 5 times. Out of hundreds of thousands of hands.