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#11
03-18-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
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how can you take away that he might be value betting a worse hand, i don't understand [/ QUOTE ] thats what makes it interesting, right? the turn bet is pretty big though for a second barrel with a hand like KQ or QJ, i think. Maybe my reads are a little off but i think he's really strong here. 
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#12
03-18-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
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how can you take away that he might be value betting a worse hand, i don't understand [/ QUOTE ] I wrote something like this almost verbatim. Then I erased it because I couldn't think of hand that fits this bill. Please enlighten me on some hands so I don't switch over into the fold camp. My initial reaction was that our hand was SO underepped that we must call because he could be bluffing or VB'ng worse. Having trouble with that now.
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#13
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
I don't see SB bluffing here ever, and I don't think he'd bet AK this hard on the river, so I like the river fold.
I don't mind the slowplay if the board was rainbow, but the turn brought a flush draw out which could ruin you action if another club hit (probably not though). Obviously K/J are bad cards to see as well, but I don't think the slowplay is bad. Did you do it because you wanted to make sure the board didn't pair before you got the money in? Also, pf call is interesting. I'd imagine SB's range is pretty tight to raise OOP after a limper, I really don't like the call with KJo.
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#14
03-18-2007, 09:55 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
also, what do yall make of the 600 non-shove on river?
is it the "lets make this bluff look as strong as possible?" sizing, or is it trying to trick me into a call with Ax because it looks bluffy?
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#16
03-18-2007, 10:08 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
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why can't he jam AK on the river? why can't he bluff since you haven't shown any strength on a draw heavy board? why can't he have KQ? [/ QUOTE ] Sure, all of those things can be the case, but they're all pretty unlikely give how the hand went down and typical tag tendencies, imo.
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#17
03-18-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
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[ QUOTE ] why can't he jam AK on the river? why can't he bluff since you haven't shown any strength on a draw heavy board? why can't he have KQ? [/ QUOTE ] Sure, all of those things can be the case, but they're all pretty unlikely give how the hand went down and typical tag tendencies, imo. [/ QUOTE ] raising to 35 out of the sb after a limper pretty much assures me there is nothing typical of this guy
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#18
03-18-2007, 10:10 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
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why can't he jam AK on the river? why can't he bluff since you haven't shown any strength on a draw heavy board? why can't he have KQ? [/ QUOTE ] he could do any of these things, of course. its a matter of frequencies, and i think AK/KQ/bluff are infrequent compared to AA/AQ/TT, given the action on all streets.
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#19
03-18-2007, 10:12 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
Ajeones,
I agree he may have AK and purely over value it in this spot, but KQ seems like a stretch. Does he really bet the turn the way he did after the preflop and flop action? Maybe but sems like a stretch. DJ, As far as betting sizing goes, I can't imagine we can decipher it since we are not sure how good/bad he plays and thus not sure what his bluffing capabilities are. This goes for 2nd and 3rd barrelling as well as crafting bet sizes for specific reasons. That question is a 2nd or 3rd level type thinking. Not sure if we are off level 1 yet.
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#20
03-18-2007, 10:41 PM
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Re: lol slowplays always work
i'd jam the turn. with no read, i think this is slight FPS, as you don't know his propensity for attacking weakness, and you don't know if he's capable of even laying QT to a turn raise. it's an action board and he bet again on the turn, so he has a hand. a flush draw popped up so he could just put you on AJcc or something, so you'll get action from a lot of his hands, maybe as weak as AK.
since is range is so defined, and since there are really only 6/45 cards where he won't give you lose action, but you save a lot when the board pairs and you know you're beat. this must have some pretty singificant value but i can never put my finger on exactly how much it's worth to see if the river pairs
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